> On Nov 24, 7:48 am, 58 gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks for all the comments.
>>

>
> I'd suggest reading his comments a second time, they are worth it. He
> was writing some really good stuff, in a good detail too for you.
>
> And then check out his site, particularly: http://www.fastseduction.com/youarenew/
>
>

>> I think that night was a disaster and
>> somewhat unrecoverable. She has texted me back, happy to have met a
>> "friend". I'm not going for her any longer. It was either there, or it
>> wasn't, and from all your pointers, I'm realizing how many things could
>> have been improved upon.
>>
>> Nevertheless, I've learned a few things.
>>
>> "Tell her you can't hear her from the noise and walk her over to an
>> isolated part of the club so you can avoid distractions."
>>
>> Yes, I will use that from now on. I went out a few nights ago again and
>> had trouble with taking the Target away from her friend. I just didn't
>> know what to do or say. I am an attractive girl, so this gets me in,
>> but getting an actual *close is a step I have never accomplished but am
>> working toward. I have too many friends. I would like more action.
>>
>> Formhandle wrote:
>>

>>> 58 wrote:
>>>

>>>> So I'm halfway through reading The Game. Nevertheless, I'm
>>>> enthusiastic and wanted to go out last night to try and put forth
>>>> what I've read so far. Although I'm working through the lesbian
>>>> scene, I'm trying not to modify the various techniques or methods too
>>>> much. If evolution is anything, they should work for all women
>>>> --whether heterosexual or not.
>>>>

>>> The Game is not a manual or guide. It's a novel, a story. It's not
>>> written to be instructional.
>>>

>>>> I went out last night to a local club. It was alternative night, and
>>>> although most of patrons are gay men, there are generally a handful
>>>> of ladies out. Most will be with their gay male counterparts, some
>>>> will be with friends, and a few will come alone --like me.
>>>>
>>>> I walked in late, somewhere around 10:30. Hugged the bouncer
>>>>

>>> When you say hugged the bouncer - do you mean "gave him the hip-hop
>>> handshake & back-pat" or do you mean "embraced him tenderly on gay
>>> night"?
>>>

>>>> and walked in to get a beer. I saw a Blonde 8 (will call her Tall)
>>>> around the side talking with her friend (will call her Short). She
>>>> turned to eye me and smile a few times. I took this as an IOI.
>>>>

>>> It's also a good time to walk over and talk.
>>>

>>>> I know I'm not supposed to wait long, but I did.
>>>>

>>> A mistake, and if you're not going to approach her and her friend
>>> right away after she saw you and already eyed you then you should be
>>> talkng to others nearby as soon as possible.
>>>

>>>> I stood along the side of the room, listening to the techno beats
>>>> rumbling the walls, boom boom boom.
>>>>

>>> Sounds like the picture of someone trying to work up his confidence
>>> but needing time to do so and on the verge of becoming a wallflower.
>>>

>>>> I was thinking of an opener, which angle to approach, how to neg, and
>>>> to be confident and funny.
>>>>

>>> Over-thinking.
>>>

>>>> Then I decided against it. I walked to the bathroom, on my way
>>>> smiling at her.
>>>>

>>> Sill didn't approach.
>>>

>>>> I got my composure, and then I went back in. I came in at an angle
>>>> to Tall (the Target). "I'm getting my friend a beer, so I can only
>>>> stay a minute, but I just wanted to tell you that I saw you, and you
>>>> have really nice hair." This sounds so silly to me in retrospect,
>>>> but she really did have nice hair.
>>>>

>>> You don't do a time-constraint for the purpose of a compliment.
>>>

>>>> It wasn't lying. And it definitely was flirting.
>>>>

>>> Which if detected as flirting before signs from her of real attraction
>>> will ultimately not work in your favor.
>>>

>>>> I put my hand through it, and she smiled and said "Wow, thank you!".
>>>> Short turned away, and I could tell she was probably thinking I was
>>>> hitting on her friend and would just have to sit and wait there.
>>>>

>>> You were hitting on her friend. So the book got you to just go out
>>> and "do stuff" but sounds like you're still just repeating what you
>>> might normally have done before - go to a bar, get alcohol, hit on
>>> girls by complimenting them.
>>>

>>>> Tall immediately started asking me questions, like where I'm from and
>>>> what I do. I answered them quickly and turned to Short and asked her
>>>> what she was drinking. She smiled, and I don't remember what beer
>>>> she had. I was trying not to focus all of my attention on Tall just
>>>> yet.
>>>>

>>> Making small talk and asking about what they're drinking is what every
>>> other guy does. What exactly did you pick up from the novel that you
>>> felt was instructional? Did it just inspire you to go out versus not
>>> out and continue to do everything the same as you might have before?
>>>

>>>> We made small talk, and I tried my best to include Short in as much
>>>> of the conversation as possible. However, with the first glance (IOI
>>>> #1) and then the load of questions she immediately asked me when I
>>>> walked up (IOI #2), should I have just forgot about negging?
>>>>

>>> What negs? And why would you think you need to use a neg here?
>>>

>>>> When my mind started to get a little flustered, I smiled and said I
>>>> had to go and give my friend the beer I bought. They said okay, and
>>>> then I left.
>>>>

>>> And saw as you walked over to a non-friend?
>>>

>>>> A few minutes later, when the music got better, I walked back in and
>>>> saw them to about to approach the dancefloor. I split them and said,
>>>> "You all look like you're just about to jump in, but then you're not
>>>> sure yet. So which is?" They both laughed, and after a few more
>>>> seconds, they then proceeded onto the floor.
>>>>

>>> You're just telegraphing more interest, after ejecting after
>>> complimenting and having a chit-chat about boring stuff like every
>>> other guy... and not even following through directly.
>>>

>>>> It's unfortunate. I'm not a great dancer.
>>>>
>>>> I stayed along the side to watch, but then I felt like a creep.
>>>>

>>> Yeah that is creepy. Where's your beer friend?
>>>

>>>> Luckily my friend came by, and I tried to show him which was the
>>>> Blonde 8.
>>>>

>>> Yeah, that always works. Stand just by the girls as they dance, and
>>> point them out to your friend, like a fantasy trophy.
>>>

>>>> He agreed with my finding, and after a while I went to the bathroom
>>>> again.
>>>>

>>> Did you even read the novel? It may not be instructional but the
>>> title is not "The Typical Unproductive Behavior".
>>>

>>>> When I came out to wash my hands, there was Tall. She looked at me
>>>> and smiled and tried to start up another conversation with me (IOI #3?).
>>>>

>>> Stop counting IOIs and just presume it. Tell her you can't hear her
>>> from the noise and walk her over to an isolated part of the club so
>>> you can avoid distractions. You should have also indicated to your
>>> friend to make sure he kept her friend busy so she wouldn't feel left
>>> out while this was happening and not to cockblock you later looking to
>>> pull her friend away.
>>>

>>>> We talked about what my future plans were, where the good clubs are,
>>>> blah, blah, blah.
>>>>

>>> Stop having idle pointless chit-chat. Did the novel tell you to have
>>> pointless chit-chat? At this point the only reason she would continue
>>> with you doing this is:
>>>
>>> - She's already attracted to you, but not because of your behavior but
>>> because perhaps you're good-looking to her and all she wants is to
>>> talk to an attractive guy.
>>>
>>> - She's bored and you're the only guy who talked to her, but that's
>>> all and she's not thinking anything more, and you're certainly not
>>> going to get any further having boring idle conversations.
>>>

>>>> In my head, I was thinking --I don't want to Number-Close. I want to
>>>> fucking Kiss-Close. I've got enough numbers.
>>>>

>>> So far there's nothing to indicate you were anywhere near that unless
>>> she was falling over drunk and grabbing at you.
>>>

>>>> There we were, talking and laughing. The door opened, and in walked
>>>> my girlfriend (Huge Obstacle).
>>>>

>>> This is retarded. Obviously you picked a place your girlfriend is
>>> likely to go to, perhaps this is a small town or whatever. You didn't
>>> prepare for that possibility. Also, going out to pick up girls after
>>> reading "The Game" when you already have a girlfriend who doesn't know
>>> you would be out meeting other girls, but likely to bump into you when
>>> doing so, is just asking for trouble and complication.
>>>

>>>> Busted.
>>>>

>>> Busted at what? You might s well have been at a bank teller making a
>>> joke.
>>>

>>>> She had been out with her friends that night and was supposedly not
>>>> coming home until late. What to do here.
>>>>

>>> What's she doing out with her friends without you? You're somehow
>>> doing something different than her? Or are you supposed to stay home
>>> with the cat and wait patiently while she's out and probably flirting
>>> with other men?
>>>

>>>> I stood there, silently.
>>>>

>>> Like a statue that feels guilty for something inane.
>>>

>>>> Tall immediately looked at her and said, "Um, I don't think I know you."
>>>>
>>>> Huge Obstacle left the bathroom, and I proceeded to try and salvage
>>>> the situation. We talked more about other bars and clubs, and I
>>>> asked her for her number. Number-Closed.
>>>>
>>>> She said she has exams but would love to go out with "us" sometime.
>>>>

>>> "Us"? What does that mean?
>>>

>>>> Do I text her? Do I forget this one? What should I have done when
>>>> Huge Obstacle entered the scene?
>>>>

>>> I think you should have frozen up even more and then acted
>>> robotically, perhaps even started dancing "the robot" and act like
>>> your circuits were frying. Then after getting the number say
>>> something along the lines of "we'll go out somewhere sometime and do
>>> something, maybe even something else"
>>>

>>>> Yours,
>>>> 58
>>>>

>>> Take the time to understand the materials the novel is referring to.
>>> Don't be like most shmoes who read it and just go out without any
>>> inkling of what anything is about, save for referencing "IOI" but
>>> otherwise running through the same behavior you might otherwise do
>>> when out meeting women.
>>>

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