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> On Nov 14, 12:25 am, speeding
biz.org> wrote:>> Okay... I'm in a brain farting mood. So here's the second.
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>> Cinemax just had a Star Wars marathon. Had it in the background doing
>> so work around the house, so I didn't really pay it much attention.
>> But, I did get struck by somethign that I wouldn't have noticed
>> before I started with the community. Namely... WHY people think
>> Attack of The Clones was bad compared to Empire Strikes Back. And
>> most don't even know why they FEEL that way... (and it is feeling..
>> not rational)
>>
>> Okay... here's why... and it's TOTALLY seduction related.
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>> In Attack of the Clones, we see the love story of Anakin Skywalker
>> for Padme Amadala. Anakin is totally butt ugly in heat for Padme.
>> With her kicking bod... it's easy to see why. Not to mention the
>> surrogate mother thing. And Padme falls in love with Anakin, right?
>> After all, he laid down one of the best pickup lines ever on her.
>> "Are you an angel?" What woman wouldn't melt for a guy that
>> COMPLETELY GENUINE says that line. It nailed her when he said it.
>> Didn't hurt he was 8 at the time. But, 10 years later, she was still
>> feeling that.
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>> So, we kick on to him being xompletely nutso over her and she cuts
>> his balls off. "Oh Ani, you'll always be that little kid back on
>> Naboo to me." Ouch. Then, she bitch slaps him in front of her friends
>> with "Oh Ani's not a Jedi, he's just a learner." And all he can do is
>> smile and act like having his manhood handed to him didn't hurt at
>> all. Poor pussy whipped guy. Total AFC. Couldn't be worse for him.
>> (and we've all be there, right?)
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>> Then we see this scene where they're basically alone and he's showing
>> off for here by floating a piece of fruit over to her. And she's
>> impressed a bit, right? Then the scene in the field where he's
>> showing off riding some animal and he falls. She comes running and
>> they laugh and such. And the scene where they have a picnic
>> (romantic, right?) and he says the line about how he'd make people
>> sit down and agree. And she's totally falling for him... right?
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>> Keep this in mind...
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>> Compared to Empire... This "nerd herder" rescues her and starts
>> trying to push him around, like a princess is used to doing. Only
>> he's not going for it. And he even says... "Nice girl, either I'm
>> going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her". Right off the bat,
>> there's whole mental shoving match between the Princess and the
>> Pirate. Classic love story stuff.
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>> Next, we move into Empire... and the scene in the cave. He grabs to
>> help her. Okay... he grabs her in a way any woman knows helping her
>> is not what he's really thinking about. And then he carresses her
>> hands. And in classic woman thought form, she kicks back with "my
>> hands are dirty." And he doesn't let up... asking her if she's
>> scared... and then the DEAD ON... "You like me because I'm a
>> scoundrel. There's not enough scoundrels in your life." Her attempt
>> to kick back... "I happen to like nice men." And the kiss.
>> CLASSIC!!!!
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>> A bit later, we even see him make a little joke about the whole
>> thing, just to keep her thinking about it. "You'd like Lando, he's a
>> scoundrel." And she sarcastically says "thanks."... but her eyes are
>> telling the story. She's falling for Han. Then we cut to the scene
>> where Han's going to be frozen. And yet another classic line. "I love
>> you." Now, anything he says works. Works just fine. He could have
>> said "Me too." or "I love you". But... Han... Han's a player. His
>> reply is one I'll bet many guys use now. "I know". Oh how sweet. Just
>> perfect.
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>> Now... why do people think that Empire is better than Clones? Why the
>> new trilogy is crap compared to the original? Well... we should all
>> know by now. The original makes sense. The Princess falls in love
>> with the Pirate because he doesn't put up with her bullshit. The
>> Pirate falls in love with the Princess because she has spunk... she
>> gives him shit. There's a dynamic between them of push-pull. Tension.
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>> Compared to the new trilogy. The boy falls in love with the girl that
>> "mothers" him. And the girl falls for the super-hero that saves her
>> and loves her. But, here's the question. And the WHY of why it
>> doesn't work for people. Does he LOVE her? Does she LOVE him? Why?
>> There's no... ATTRACTION. He has LUST for her. She's smokin hot and
>> he feels AFFECTION for her... because she was nice to him. He's a
>> superpowered Jedi and he's her protector. So, she feels AFFECTION for
>> him. But, with all that... there's no ATTRACTION.
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>> And, in watching the movie... we can all FEEL it. There's no
>> ATTRACTION in Clones. There's a "love" of sorts. But, of course it's
>> doomed to fail. We, as the movie watchers... are left to wonder...
>> why would Anakin really love this gal that doesn't respect him. And
>> why would Padme really love Anakin when she can't respect him. It's
>> just not as enjoyable to see their "love" affair as it is to watch
>> Han get called a "scruff looking nerf herder" or hear Han tell Leia
>> that there's no time to "discuss this in a committee".
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>> New Star Wars versus Classic. Both are love stories. The Classic is a
>> love story borne of ATTRACTION. The love that a PUA desires and
>> creates. The New is a love story borne of AFFECTION. The love an AFC
>> stumbles into or settles for. And so... is there any question as to
>> WHY we would FEEL more connection and more fondness for the
>> ATTRACTION love than the AFFECTION love. One love is real. The other
>> love is forced.
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>> If there is EVER an argument for why we should want to learn how to
>> be a player.. this is it.
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>> She wants to meet a man and God dammit! I am a man! == Scruff
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> awesome!
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> thats so well put, Han Solo is the dude, while Anakin is a whiney
> little pussy. getting burnt to a overdone fajita was the best thing
> that could have ever happened to him. i bet he had a whole army of
> fancy women once he donned the black suit and shut his fucking whiney
> mouth.
Pretty much. Even before that, when he was turing bad, he started getting
better. He stopped caring so much. He started acting more like a man. His
only problem was that he became possessive. Jealous. He developed a "I
will have you" streak, as opposed to a "I want to be with you" attitute.
Again, I can't really fathom that he actually felt love for her or that
she felt love for him. More just an affection and a fondness. Almost a
friendship. Well... except for when he was choking the crap out of her.
> i watched Empire the other day for must be the 3rd time i think, and
> you're right about the development of attraction, its so much more
> 'real' - more zesty and dramatic. when you watch clones your thinking
> "as if, why the fuck would she like him? blatantly its only because
> Obi Wan is so straight edge thats she's going for 'mini-Obi-Wan'
> instead.
You should read the book version of RotS. It introduces an element that
was completely left out of the movie. Namely that there's hints dropped
by Palpatine that perhaps Anakin wasn't the father... as he says...
"After all, you haven't spent nearly as much time here with Padme as
other Jedi have." The scene where Anakin asks if Obi-wan had been there
in the apartment... alone... with Padme... that was the tip of the doubts
for Anakin.
And yep... you do have another nailed point. Anakin has NO options. The
only woman he gets to see at hardly any frequency is Padme. So, if he
wants to get his freak on... it's her or the shower. And Padme is pretty
isolated too. She's got a few guys around her... but the only one that's
really in her age range and suited to her is... Anakin. So, she's just as
desperate as he is. And desperation is a piss poor reason to be with
someone.
> yeah, Anakin is a bit of a bad boy, a has some character, arrogance
> and has some cool powers, but everytime he opens his mouth, you wish
> Yoda would bitch slap him down.
Especially when he's around Padme. The scene where Obi Wan gets after
Anakin for saying they'd go after the assassin... and Obiwan says "You
WILL follow my lead." He blurts out "Why?" And Obi Wan gets a "WHAT? Did
he just question his master?" look. Cause, after all, a padawan simply
doesn't act like that. Anakin won't put up with ANY shit from Obi Wan.
Not even when he deserves it.
But, when Padme gives hime even a simple shit test, he falls all over
himself in failing to be a man. He can risk being kicked out of the Jedi
Order by talking back to Obi. But he can't even consider the risk of
crossing Padme when she's ripping his manhood away. That's AFC as it
gets.
> Scruff.
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She wants to meet a man and God dammit! I am a man! == Scruff
