Re: Self-control, not condoms, is best HIV preventer
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Re: Self-control, not condoms, is best HIV preventer         

Group: alt.seduction.fast · Group Profile
Author: good
Date: Jul 25, 2008 17:33

On Jul 25, 5:16 pm, "g...@rock.com" rock.com> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 9:41 pm, "J" live.com> wrote:
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>> Self-control, not condoms, is best HIV preventer, South African cardinal
>> says
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>> Sydney, Jul 17, 2008 / 04:18 am (CNA).- Cardinal Wilifrid Fox Napier, the
>> Archbishop of Durban, South Africa, told an Australian news program that a
>> change in Catholic teaching on condoms would not change the rate of HIV
>> infection in Africa. Rather, he argued, positive change would result from
>> trusting people to take control of their lives.
>> "You expect that because people are hearing from bishops, `You must use a
>> condom', that they will do what the bishops say? the cardinal asked his
>> interviewer.
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>> "We have already been preaching all our lives, don't have sex outside of
>> marriage," Cardinal Napier told the SBS Dateline program, according to the
>> Australian Associated Press.
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>> The cardinal, who is visiting Sydney for World Youth Day, said South Africa
>> has the highest rate of condom distribution, but still has one of the
>> highest HIV infection rates in the world.
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>> He cited the Uganda program against HIV infection as a successful model.
>> There, he said, the HIV prevalence rate was reduced from 29 to 6 percent in
>> ten years with a program that promoted abstinence for unmarried Ugandans and
>> monogamy for couples. The program also issued condoms only to married
>> people.
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>> Cardinal Napier said the Church trusted in people's ability to control their
>> own lives.
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>> "At the moment, if you go on a policy of condom distribution as the only
>> solution to HIV and AIDS, you are telling people that they cannot take
>> control of their own lives," he said.
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>> "And, therefore, I think you are doing them an injustice by saying: `You are
>> so stupid. Even though this disease is a killer, you cannot take control of
>> your own lives'."
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>> --
>> J Young
>> Jvisi...@live.com
>> Owner of 'LC'
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> To have safe sex, all men should use condoms and the pull out method
> concurrently until they are sure the woman is on the pill.  They
> should then use the pill and condoms, until they get an HIV test with
> their partner.  They could then use the pill and the pull-out method.
> Using 2 forms of birth control reduces the risk of pregnancy from 1 in
> 3.7 to 1 in 25 for the pull out method, and 1 in 6.7 to 1 in 50 for
> condoms to 1 in 1,983 to 1 in 125,000 for Pull-Out & Condoms, and 1 in
> 6,666  to 1 in 1,665,000 for the Pill and Condoms, and  1 in 3,700 to
> 1 in 832,500 for Pull-Out & The Pill.
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> However there is a greater risk of contracting HPV without a condom.
> Condoms reduce the risk of HPV by 70%%.  HPV causes cervical cancer and
> given the seriousness of the disease may actually be a greater risk
> for heterosexual women than HIV.  The vaccine Gardasil protects
> against 70%% of cervical cancers by blocking HPV 16 and 18.  Pap smears
> can protect women from the remaining cases.  There may be a great risk
> of oral cancer from oral sex.  Given that most cases of HIV are in
> homosexuals, the risk of oral cancer from HPV16 may actually be a
> greater risk for heterosexuals than HIV.  Most all cases of oral
> cancer determined to have been caused by HPV have been determined to
> have been caused by HPV16.  Thus Gardasil potentially protects against
> all HPV related oral cancer.
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> In most people the body clears the HPV virus in 2-5 years.
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> Gardasil also protects against 90%% of genital warts and should be
> approved in men for that reason alone.
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> A condom reduces the risk of HIV by 90%%.  A recent test reduces the
> risk by even less.  An over the counter test similar to a pregnancy
> test would do far more to stop the transmission of HIV than preaching
> abstinence or condom use.
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> Keeping semen out of any orifices, vaginal and oral, helps protect
> against HIV, especially if there are any cuts in the mouth from braces
> or other reasons.
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> Keeping semen out of the vagina obviously helps protect against
> pregnancy.  When used in concurrence with another form of birth
> control, the chance of pregnancy is virtually nill.
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> Gay men especially should wear condoms and avoid semen in the ass.
> The ass is not a sexual organ and bleeds easier making it more
> dangerous for the top and bottom.  Gays and injection drug users
> account for approximately 75%% of the new cases of HIV each year.
> Heterosexuals account for only 10%% (mostly women),
Sorry, white heterosexuals account for 10%% of the cases. With 9,000
heterosexual female cases total the percentage of heterosexuals total
is obviously higher.

Figures come from
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.seduction.fast/browse_thread/thread/799572666ea5a701/6b6295c44515ce80...#6b6295c44515ce80
and
http://www.whitehouse.gov/onap/facts.html
> and my guess is
> that most of these probably didn't wear condoms.   There are 40,000
> new cases of HIV in the U.S. each year total.  According to Wikipedia
> there are 34,000 new cases of oral cancer each year.  It requires more
> analysis on my part, but preliminary research of studies suggests that
> 8,500-20,000 of these cases might be due to HPV.  Cancer is probably
> as serious an illness for most people as HIV, thus the risk of oral
> cancer may be greater for heterosexuals than the risk of HIV, of which
> only 2,800-7,800 heterosexual males, and 9,000 heterosexual females,
> and of those 952-1,714 heterosexual white male, and 1,800 heterosexual
> white female contract each year.  The disease effects minorities and
> homosexuals and intravenous drugs users more greatly.  ("7,800" and
> "1,714" number includes "other" unspecified methods of transmission).
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> New England Journal of Medicine - John Hopkins Oral Cancer HPV Study:http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/356/19/1944
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> http://www.oral-cancer.info/?cat=7
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> http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/ocfnews/news.asp- says 1 in 4
> cases of oral cancer were found due to HPV, this would correspond to
> the 8,500 number.
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> 50%% of those with oral cancer die within five years.- Hide quoted text -
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