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SCAM: "Workshops" are often PROSTITUTION FRONTS         


Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot
Date: Jun 27, 2008 08:02

It's just not legal to call it "prostitution" so they call it a "seduction
workshop" instead.

Look at the fees. SPITZER didn't have to pay that much to get laid!

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Re: SCAM: "Workshops" are often PROSTITUTION FRONTS         


Author: HC
Date: Jun 27, 2008 08:52

On Jun 27, 11:02�am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:
> It's just not legal to call it "prostitution" so they call it a "seduction
> workshop" instead.
>
> Look at the fees. �SPITZER didn't have to pay that much to get laid!
>

Just because you can't get anybody to send you big money for anything
at all, doesn't mean other people can't.

You're the most pathetic excuse for a man I've ever seen. And the
biggest LOSER.

Everybody hates you. Look in the mirror, you'll find your only friend.
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Re: SCAM: "Workshops" are often PROSTITUTION FRONTS         


Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot
Date: Jun 27, 2008 09:19

HC is reduced to anonymous USENET posturing.

When AOL was subpoenaed for his identity, someone claiming to be a woman
sent a letter back claiming that they didn't know who was using her AOL
account, and denied making any of the posts.

Fortunately, AOL has the identity of this person ready to serve up at the
time of *my* choosing, given that "HC" is resetting the time clock every
time it posts like this.

When "HC" realizes that its harassment and defamation is NOT protected
speech, or that Florida is one of two states that has and enforces a
criminal libel statute (up to two years in prison), you might see its
attitude change.

HC is actually such a loser that it designed to attempt me to divert
resources from those who hire it, but I'm not deterred.

Its day in court will come. I'm extremely patient.

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Re: THREAT: Newzloon and Abuse of Process         


Author: HC
Date: Jun 27, 2008 10:31

On Jun 27, 12:19�pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:
> HC is reduced to anonymous USENET posturing.
>
> When AOL was subpoenaed for his identity, someone claiming to be a woman
> sent a letter back claiming that they didn't know who was using her AOL
> account, and denied making any of the posts.
>
> Fortunately, AOL has the identity of this person ready to serve up at the
> time of *my* choosing, given that "HC" is resetting the time clock every
> time it posts like this.
>

So says the manic fr00tl00p.
> When "HC" realizes that its harassment and defamation is NOT protected
> speech, or that Florida is one of two states that has and enforces a
> criminal libel statute (up to two years in prison), you might see its
> attitude change.
>
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Re: Threat to sue those who harass or defame me         


Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot
Date: Jun 27, 2008 10:47

Like I said, where HC is concerned, I'm *extremely* patient.

He'll get his day in court. Then he can clear up that thing from last time
where a woman claimed to own the AOL account he was using, yet supposedly
didn't know he was using it.

Kind of like a car owner not knowing who is driving their car. Right.

HC insists on engaging in actionable conduct against someone he knows can
file suit over it. He's no different than a stupid drunk in a bar picking a
fight with the bouncer. He gets his loud moment, then loses.

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Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru

Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From

Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf

Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing
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Re: If you don't want to be replied to then don't post here. If you don't want to be called an IDIOT, stop acting like one. If you don't want to be called a PAUPER, quit filing lawsuits in forma pauperis, and if you don't wan't your mental healt bein         


Author: HC
Date: Jun 27, 2008 10:59

. . . go fuck yourself, newzloon.

And quit harassing me.

And pay Thom. The court ordered you to, it would only seem right.

Enjoy your mania. I love it when you flip out, freak.
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Re: if you don't want to be sued, don't post actionable replies         


Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot
Date: Jun 27, 2008 11:51

HC has left me no choice but to eventually file suit against him. His need
to defame and harass me is SO strong that he will risk money and/or his
freedom to do so.

AOL already knows who owns his account. A subpoena for any new statements
he makes which are actionable would make obtaining his identity a very
stimple task.

I bet if he were sued he's sing like a canary against those hwo pay him
too...

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Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru

Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From

Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf

Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing
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Re: "Workshops" are often PROSTITUTION FRONTS         


Author: corky
Date: Jun 27, 2008 12:05

Again, no specifics... just asking.

"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:a5GdnTfW6phtnfjVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@pghconnect.com...
> It's just not legal to call it "prostitution" so they call it a "seduction...
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Re: "Workshops" are often PROSTITUTION FRONTS         


Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot
Date: Jun 27, 2008 12:14

> Again, no specifics

It's more than one guru. Look at the prices they charge. It's more than
spitzer paid.

Their "students" (read: JOHNS) have hotel rooms, the "assistant instructors"
(read: WHORES) are supposed to interact with them, so it's all hidden in
plain sight.

I just post to let the prospetive customer base know how the system works.

We've already seen time and again whenever this stuff is filmed that it
never works. Why would this be such a shock?

One other thing: anyone who wants the reasoned discourse the previous poster
seems to be seeking needs to refrain, at all times, from the defamation and
harassment they otherwise engage in. Maybe two posters to this group have
managed to do that.

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Re: if you don't want to be sued, don't post actionable replies         


Author: HC
Date: Jun 27, 2008 12:52

On Jun 27, 2:51�pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:
> if you don't want to be sued, don't post actionable replies

Fair enough. Point me to what I posted that's actionable. I can't
stop doing something wrong if I don't know what it is.

Your serve, newzloon.
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