One thing the seduction gurus won't tell you is that they require you not to
post about any bad experiences if you want your money back.

Very few dissatisfied customers -- and there are many more, now that what is
being taught no longer works -- are going to give up several thousand
dollars in refund money just to post the truth on what are cenosred,
propsaganda websites to begin with.

This leads to a false impression regarding customer satisfaction. Without
these bought silences, you'd be hearing a lot more about guys who were
pressured into wasting thousands of dollars on workshops or bootcamps with
various gurus, only to realize they'd been scammed with information that is
freely available and, due to overexposure, no longer workable.

--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy

Ray's new "Project 5000" is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/project-5000

Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work.

Notice grp-ie won't name said people, or the losers who 'want their money back'
when they fail. How many of the losers who would buy HIS crap want their money
back? Also, if one offers a money back claim, they can't refuse it if someone
writes a 'bad review'. How would such a bad review look anyway?

customer: I'm such a loser I can't get laid after paying someone $$ to teach me,
so I want my money back to buy another's spew to learn more..

Several thousand dollars? Are there really losers that sad that need to pay
danger $$ to be told how to deal with women? Maybe, but notice, none of them
are paying Parker the $. Even losers have some scruples. Parker has none.

Nothing is stopping any guru from posting here and explaining their own
policies regarding this.

That these gurus are AFRAID of a free-speech board says a lot.

--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy

Ray's new "Project 5000" is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/project-5000

Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work.

Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187

Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight
contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid
targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined
their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?

gordy roy parker, odd man out, whined:

gordy roy parker, newzloon and legal buffoon, whined:

And of course, your fantasy spew aside, NOTHING is stopping any
dissatisfied customer from posting here either, on this 'free-speach
board' (this is a newsgroup, not a 'board', you tard).
That says a lot about you...



--
I'm an opinionated bastard. Everything I post is my opinion. If you do
not like my opinions then killfile me - if you like my opinions then send
me money.

The KTO Dictionary of Subjective Language

Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
public but s/he is too disconnected to reality to realize it.

On Feb 28, 6:36 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

Ray, if they have a stated money back policy, they can be compelled in
court to honor it as being a representation that a buyer would have
relied on in part in making a decision. If it is part of the purchase
agreement then it is a straight-up matter slam dunk matter of contract
law. If there was wording in a contract/purchase agreement which made
a refund dependent on the public non-disclosure of a customer's
dissatisfaction, a court would nullify any such clause and enforce the
money back policy. Just in case you were ignorant, or didn't
understand about how law would be applied.

"Ray Gordon, alligator MOUTH, hummingbird ass" cybersheet.com> wrote in
message news:u62dnZ8ALPJ-W1vanZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@pghconnect.com...

Nobody is afraid of you. IMHO nobody replies to you because you are not
significant enough to appear on their radar. Once in awhile one of them
posts here, but they know that you will spew for weeks after, so they don't.
You can't go where they are, so all you can do is whine here, and act out.

Like your lawsuits, you are amusing for awhile, but it wears off.

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"Krus T. Olfard" odor.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A524F7D56914hotstuff@208.49.82.60...

Something else says a lot. People don't post praise for his methods either.
In fact, nobody has even owned up to having read his stuff in awhile. Looks
to me like what's outdated is Ray....

In article pghconnect.com>,
"Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" cybersheet.com> wrote:

Once a customer gets their money back, what's keeping them from
exercising their free speech rights by writing a review? A contract
signed under duress, whose conditions aren't fully explained when the
customer purchases the service? Surely such a contract would not be
considered binding and legal, even with the customer's signature.

I don't believe you. Please show your evidence. After all, you *ARE* an
investigative reporter, correct? 60 Minutes wouldn't just say what
you're saying. They'd provide proof on their show.

So now it's your turn, mr. "investigative journalist." Post your
irrefutable proof that this is happening.

What better way for you to hurt the seduction gurus than to actually
post the proof here, where you feel the majority of potential customers
will see it?

On Feb 28, 6:12 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

one thing ray gordon (a.k.a. gordon roy parker) won't tell you, is
that he has no proof to backup his spews because he won't name names.

of course, ray is the kind of guy that will go months without a bath
while complaining about the stink, and scream like a baby that
everyone around him is fouling the air with their farts even when it's
more than obvious that it's him that is doing the stinking. his "no
money-back guarantee" is prime proof of that. ray will call everyone
else what he is...and without even a tiny sliver of shame on his part.
what friggin nerve he has.

name a name, ray. who is it and what stuff (and why) doesn't it work
or throw this goofy statement on top of your mountain of lies as well,
liar.