"Odious"
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>> "Odious"
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>> news:IqHUg.4637$eZ4.4284@dukeread06...>>>>
>>>> "Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot""
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>>>> message news:uvGdnawISLo0JL_YnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@pghconnect.com...>>>>>> I think I pointed it out the other day, but I am not the author of
>>>>>> it. Height doesn't mean shit.....I've over came it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, he convinced himself to settle, assuming he even got
>>>>> any women to begin with, which he has never proven.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are right Ray, you caught me, I'm a virgin. Funny I haven't seen
>>>> where you have proven you can get a girl, and you are supposed to be a
>>>> REAL expert.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And oddly, in fact gordita here has been caught LYING about having a
>>> girlfriend and a fuckbuddy... only to have her come to ASF and expose
>>> that she was never gordo's girlfriend and that they'd never even met in
>>> person.
>>>
>>> Gordo is such a pathetic fraud that he calls a girl he talked to online
>>> in an IM, his girlfriend or his fuckbuddy.
>>>
>>> And yet he questions the credibility of the claims made by others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Really....I missed that post.....got a link?
I can't read it, theres contradictions everywhere.
BN
>> Some Guy Writes:
>>
>>> Look at the guy who's advice you're taking...he's lied about having a
>>> girlfriend...his advice is contradictory on a daily basis...and he
>>> actually brags about waiting for other guys to dump the girl he wants
>> so
>>> he might have a chance at her.
>>>
>>> <----This from the man who hits on said girlfriend repeatedly, and the
>>> girlfriend posted we "may be meeting soon..." minor technicality!
>>>
>>
>> Isn't this the same girlfriend that you said was a drug-using liar and
>> an empty-net goal AND was someone that Foxhunters should avoid?
>> Ray, either you're lying about all that, or you're lying that she's
>> "all that," so to speak. It wouldn't be the first time you've lied,
>> though.
>>
>> <-----All I said was she wanted to meet me.
>
> You've said much more than that. I have the other posts where you say
> she's of higher quality than everyone in this group combined. Then I
> have the posts where you accuse her of lying and using illegal drugs. I
> don't know what type of person Michelle really is, but your
> descriptions of her don't make it easy to determine. Do I believe that
> she's of such high quality that she's worth waiting for? Or do I
> believe that she's of such poor quality that she isn't worth any time
> or attention at all?
>
>> I declined for the above
>> reasons.
>
> Then how in the world can you continue to call her your girlfriend when
> in fact you've never met her and don't even intend on doing so?
>
> The fact that you continue to try to describe her (alternately) as
> someone so desirable that she is better than every single woman this
> newsgroup has had combined (!!) yet also a drug-addicted homewrecking
> liar makes me wonder which is true. Certainly both cannot be true at
> the same time, therefore you have lied to the newsgroup.
>
>> Another thing Michelle validates is that I do in fact coach. She has
>> turned to me many times for advice for her daughter. Talk about
>> the lies.
>>
>
> I'll be more than happy to talk about the lies. Let's begin when you
> started claiming you had a girlfriend and was "cashing in:"
>
> "Yep, got myself a girlfriend. An 18 year-old ex-gymnast. Cleared the
> decks of all other Foxes and CASHED OUT" [6/01/99]
>
> "I waited a while before even saying anything because I wanted to make
> sure. Once I was sure I cleared the decks, got rid of EVERY woman I was
> talking to other than her, and hooked up. I don't think it was a
> mistake at all. " [6/02/99]
>
> "Oh, another thing: Michelle doesn't want you bothering her anymore.
> Neither does her new boyfriend [note: presumably Ray?] or any of the
> other 30 or so men who have an interest in her." [6/02/99]
>
> "The Foreign Fox Gimmick is an overall attitude which is highly
> effective when used properly. I got my current girlfriend, an 18
> year-old gymnast, with it. She recommends it to men as well."
> [6/10/99]
>
> "Ah, so when Michelle laughed in your face it was just a lost
> opportunity on your part....LOL...she just won a bikini contest last
> night, btw......LOL...." [6/10/99]
>
> "... I am a bit taken aback by the comments I've received on her looks.
> People are saying she's a 6 or a 7. I don't know; makes me wonder how
> many of these guys are living in Playboy land because a photo of
> someone taken at a beach without makeup is obviously not a glamour
> shot. That was intentional, as was my own picture, as I don't believe
> in using lighting and photography to counteract nature's deficiencies.
> This woman is an ex-gymnast, rock-solid, shapely, quite good-looking
> (her body isn't in the photo), and has features which are quite good
> (symmetry, etc.), plus her mom is almost 40 and still hot, and she's
> nice, kind, ethical, etc., and on top of all that she doesn't mind my
> having herpes. I'd say I did fine." [6/14/99]
>
> "If you saw the way my girlfriend rejected him [Odious], you'd
> know....... " [6/23/99]
>
> "Odious ... can't even get anywhere with my girlfriend.....who won a
> bikini contest not long ago." [6/25/99]
>
> "Well, here's one thing I never told the Foxhunters: if a woman doesn't
> want you, and you tell her you will kill yourself if she doesn't have
> you, there's a chance you might get her! This is how I lost my last
> girlfriend (no, not the 18 year-old), and it was an eye-opener. She
> chose me, and while breaking up with him he threatened to kill himself,
> and since her previous boyfriend had also killed himself, she panicked
> and reversed course ... So I guess it's back to "sarging" for me
> (though not with that method) ... I was definitely played here."
> [6/27/99]
>
> "If you want to define a "toxic" female, Michelle Isham could be the
> poster child. A stripper in Las Vegas (currently injured), drug user
> (pot and ecstasy), and, as many in this group have pointed out, a
> LIAR." [6/27/99]
>
> "My initial interest in Michelle came when she impersonated National
> Team member Tasha Schwikert and sought me out for the purpose of my
> "coaching" her (or advising or whatever you call it). In this process
> Michelle, as Tasha, came onto me repeatedly, telling me she "loved" me
> (Michelle claimed later on she really did), but I had no interest in
> Tasha though I did like Michelle." [6/27/99]
>
> "It was only because of my post that Michelle's true identity was
> uncovered ... An interesting sideline developed in this mess a few
> months ago. Once I realized I was no longer talking to Tasha (she had
> given up the screen name after a few weeks), I had no interest in
> coaching her obviously, or in talking to Michelle, who was still
> claiming she loved me." [6/27/99]
>
> "After a few weeks of more lies and game-playing, Michelle finally
> decided she was going to choose me. UNTIL Chris told her that if she
> did that, he was going to kill himself. Michelle was very torn with
> this, since she had already lost a lover to suicide ... and couldn't
> bear to lose another one." [6/27/99]
>
> "Criminal behavior seems to be Michelle's answer for everything. Sad.
> Matt's another real winner: he's a chef at the Excalibur, having lost
> his $60k a year job at another hotel because he mouthed off to his
> bosses (according to Michelle), but with her stripping they seem to be
> making ends meet, though an injury to her knee has harmed her income
> lately." [6/27/99]
>
> "I landed a girlfriend in 90 minutes with it [the Foreign Fox
> Gimmick]." [6/30/99]
>
> "Michelle WAS my girlfriend....um, for a few seconds here and there,
> maybe, like I think, like she was real confused and wanted to play not
> only the field, but the stadium, and had a habit of OMITTING things and
> maybe LYING about others." [7/03/99]
>
> "Scoring is not easy for ANY man. I've said before, in a pickup contest
> I'd rather just show up with my girlfriend and let the other
> contestants try to match it." [7/04/99]
>
> "My girlfriend rejected him [Odious] cold." [7/15/99]
>
> "I'm her boyfriend when I WANT to be pretty much." [7/16/99]
>
> "yes Michelle and I are in a relationship ..." [7/16/99]
>
> "You want him [Odious], you can have him. Maybe we should converse only
> through this newsgroup for the time being, so there is no doubt as to
> what is said between us." [7/17/99]
>
> "I'm 32 and never married, have a girlfriend, and many other options if
> that one doesn't pan out." [7/19/99]
>
> Michelle posts: "Iam [sic] not with either odious or ray" [7/19/99]
>
> "Women like Michelle prove how insipid SS is when the target is
> half-intelligent. If all you want to sleep with are stupid sluts, Ross
> is your man. Women who are honest or who value honesty don't go near
> SS types. Some of those women are quite sexy." [7/20/99]
>
> "First off, my thanks to the brothers in the newsgroup for pointing out
> that my "girlfriend" was lying to me. When we were on the phone this
> morning and she was swearing up and down that she was, I knew better
> and told her I won't be talking to her until she absolutely proves
> without any doubt that she's my lover." [7/21/99]
>
> "NOTE TO MICHELLE: I'll be out getting laid tonight since I don't have
> a girlfriend." [7/21/99]
>
> "Now if you will excuse me, I have a lady to tend to who has been
> feeling a bit neglected the last few days and is tired of fending off
> liars and losers. Cya." [7/23/99]
>
> "I stopped an SSer cold who wanted my lady and couldn't get anywhere
> with her." [7/24/99]
>
> "No, that's you trying to act like you weren't rejected by my
> girlfriend. Pathetic loser. Get Michelle to post here that she's not
> my girlfriend if you're so confident. Go ahead. She does that she
> never hears from me again, which is why she won't do it. I haven't
> decided whether to require her to post her love for me here before I
> talk to her again, but perhaps I should." [7/24/99]
>
> "unless of course Michelle posts a message out here that she wants to
> talk to me, and a note to her, don't post it unless you're willing to
> have sex with me so there is NO DOUBT about your intentions." [7/24/99]
>
> "Michelle's words speak for themselves ... [Michelle posts on 7/24/99:
> I'm so in love with you ray.]" [7/25/99]
>
> "If Michelle was out to dump me, her strategy was to rely on my fear of
> commitment by telling me she loves me ... so far Michelle has met EVERY
> requirement for keeping my interest." [7/25/99]
>
> "My girlfriend posted here. [She] was on her way to the 1988 Olympic
> Gymnastics team before she blew her knee out ... in the future I may
> require ALL my lovers to post here. Then again, if the current one I'm
> pursuing/with works out, I may be off the market for good." [7/25/99]
>
> "She's just 2,500 miles away at this time. If and when I hook up with
> her, we can catch up pretty quickly." [7/25/99]
>
> "I date only women who are 18-21 years old, and who are formally
> trained dancers." [7/26/99]
>
> "Now, I don't want to write Michelle off totally, but there's no way I
> can speak to her again until we resolve this USENET crap ... she has
> not proven that she wants me and only me ... I will leave it to her to
> be willing to prove, beyond all doubt, that I was not lying and she was
> not forging her posts. Since our "relationship" is already public, I
> say we should go all the way with it if she's serious and set a new
> standard for backing up internet postings ... Can you say 'webcast?'
> ... I also think the group should follow my lead and only post in the
> future about relationships they have if they are willing to have
> actual, live sex over the internet." [7/27/99]
>
> "Now, I am either in or out of circulation, right now in
> semi-circulation, more concerned with my website than relationships.
> Michelle had said she wanted to hook up; I gave her the benefit of the
> doubt. Perhaps down the road she'll meet my requirement; if not, let
> someone else here who was pursuing her post their proof." [7/29/99]
>
> "But since you're into talking about Michelle, did you know she is a
> DRUG ADDICT? That's the reason I didn't want her. Plus her face is
> ugly. Don't blame me for bringing that up, but Michelle does drugs on
> a regular basis. I have overheard her husband Matt call their seven
> year-old daughter a 'slut'" [8/05/99]
>
> "[Michelle is] a drug-addicted stripper who has put her seven year-old
> daughter's life in jeopardy with irresponsible parenting, and who
> exposes her to an abusive father." [8/05/99]
>
> "If there is a mindrapist here, it is MICHELLE, who sought me out and
> pretended to be a 14 year-old gymnast." [8/05/99]
>
> "I have already moved on to other women. Michelle even posted that she
> loves a guy named Chris." [8/05/99]
>
> "She [Michelle] was talking to me as of last night." [8/06/99]
>
> "I used to talk to her all the time. Now I don't talk to her. She's
> too dishonest." [8/06/99]
>
> "Michelle does use drugs on a regular basis." [8/06/99]
>
> "After a while, I ... continued talking to Michelle, who had expressed
> a strong interest in me which I did not return because she was married
> with children (that is what I recommend to Foxhunters). She continued
> to pursue me for several months after that." [8/17/99]
>
> "Who said I went for her? SHE is the one who claimed to LOVE me. I
> just said I had seduced her, and I did. Very well, I might add. Too
> bad you don't get it and never will." [8/17/99]
>
> "by the way, Michelle still talks to me regularly." [8/17/99]
>
> "Truth be told, I was interested in coaching her daughter for the 2008
> olympics...." [8/18/99]
>
> "Perhaps one day this group will realized why I passed on this woman
> [Michelle]. Foxhunters are too smart and dignified to ever let
> themselves get hooked up with TRASH...." [8/18/99]
>
> "Odious can't do that. He thinks he's discrediting me by defending a
> piece of drug-addicted street trash." [8/18/99]
>
> "I'm done with Michelle." [8/18/99]
>
> "Michelle can go fuck herself: she LIED about me and seemed to want
> to inflict damage on me because she was rejected by me." [8/18/99]
>
> "Well I never met her offline (resisted several urges to due to red
> flags), but I got involved primiarly because her daughter is a gifted
> gymnast, she was not doing a very good job with her daughter (she'd
> lose her cool a lot and was irresponsible in general), plus I had
> learned that Dominique had sent her to talk to me, which is how she
> seems to prefer to stay in touch. Michelle is a very skilled dancer
> and quite sexy. Obviously, for no sane man would tolerate a
> personality like that for long. I sure didn't." [8/18/99]
>
> "Michelle may be sexy, but she is 27, married, and has three children."
> [8/18/99]
>
> "Actually, that is not the case. Michelle pursued me relenetlessly
> [sic] for a few months, and I rejected her (for a relationship)."
> [8/18/99]
>
> "Michelle became very attracted to me and very jealous of Dominique at
> the same time. She is 27 years old with three children and is
> married." [8/18/99]
>
> "Doesn't look like you respect women too much yourself, or maybe
> drug-addicted street trash like Michelle who is ruining her daughter's
> lief [sic] are more your style" [8/18/99]
>
> "Once I learned Michelle had begun impersonating Tasha (I talked to
> Tasha but only for a few weeks), I told her she had defrauded me and
> that I wanted nothing further to do with her. At this point, she
> refused to leave me alone, contacting me on an almost daily basis,
> telling me she loved me, that she wanted to be with me, etc. I told
> her that her lies made that impossible." [8/18/99]
>
> "As for me, I'll be out with other women. Michelle may be sexy, but
> she's a compulsive liar, a drug-addict, a mother who put her daughter's
> life in danger (real danger, not a wish), and someone who has a failed
> marriage under her belt. If I'm a loser for avoiding that, so be it.
> Let me lose every day. Most SSers would have wound up trapped so badly
> in her life that they would be lucky to get out alive. Through
> Foxhunting, I AVOIDED the mess." [8/18/99]
>
> "Well it's not like I wasn't talking to other women at the same
> time...Michelle just has a VERY gifted gymnast for a daughter and that
> goes beyond sex. Is she messed up? Who isn't? ... Now we're just back
> to getting along very well." [9/06/99]
>
> "Actually Michelle isn't messed up, but she's covering for someone who
> is. There's this 17 year-old runaway gymnast who is quite obsessed
> with me, and used Michelle to keep tabs on me." [9/06/99]
>
> "The second person I ever met online was a female whose quality is
> greater than every lay this group has ever had, COMBINED. So what if I
> chose to wait 5-6 years for her to figure herself out?" [9/06/99]
>
> "Other women are MEANINGLESS compared to the league I play in."
> [9/06/99]
>
> "Suffice it to say that we are getting along fine now and should be for
> the forseeable future. " [9/06/99]
>
> "Also ignore the post from Michelle yesterday which said we were getting
> along fine and might meet soon." [9/7/99]
>
> "Michelle isn't someone I want." [9/10/99]
>
> James King.
>
>
>
