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Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivotRay Gordon, creator of the pivot Date: Jun 25, 2008 09:15
Oral arguments were held today on the search-engine defendants' motions to
dismiss Parker. v. Yahoo et al. The hearing lasted about 80 mnutes, and was
very contentious.
The judge said she was not convinced that this is the same as the Google
case, that the Google case is not precedential, and was not convinced that
search engines act without "volition." She also explored the issue of the
search engines profiting from the copying making them not subject to DMCA
protection.
She repeatedly asked defense counsel to explain why they are entitled to
DMCA protection, and how the way they work qualifies them for a safe harbor.
I argued that their profits from the infringement disqualify them from DMCA
protection, that the DMCA was designed to protect MY webhost and my users'
ISPs from liability, not the search engines, and that the DMCA protects
SYSTEM caches, not what they call a "cache."
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Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivotRay Gordon, creator of the pivot Date: Jun 25, 2008 15:23
This one isn't so knee-jerk.
Today was the defining (so far) court hearing on the issues of search
engines and copyright infringement. The judge did an incredible amount of
homework for this hearing, and it showed. Almost an hour and a half of
nonstop arguments of two very clear positions, and one very clear choice for
the judge, who made it clear she has still not yet made up her mind, who
ignored all "nonprecedential" past rulings, and has taken the bull by the
horns to hopefully resolve this issue once and for all, not just for me, but
for all websites.
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Author: HCHC Date: Jun 25, 2008 15:35
On Jun 25, 6:23�pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:
> This one isn't so knee-jerk.
>
> Today was the defining (so far) court hearing on the issues of search
> engines and copyright infringement. �The judge did an incredible amount of
> homework for this hearing, and it showed. �Almost an hour and a half of
> nonstop arguments of two very clear positions, and one very clear choice for
> the judge, who made it clear she has still not yet made up her mind, who
> ignored all "nonprecedential" past rulings, and has taken the bull by the
> horns to hopefully resolve this issue once and for all, not just for me, but
> for all websites.
>
That's your version of what happened.
But you're a mentally defective newzloon. So what really happened is
likely not as you spin it.
You never mattered, you don't matter now, you will never matter and
nothing you will ever do will matter.
And everybody hates you.
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Author: richardrichard Date: Jun 25, 2008 16:00
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:15:28 -0400, "Ray Gordon, creator of the
\"pivot\"" cybersheet.com> wrote:
>Oral arguments were held today on the search-engine defendants' motions to
>dismiss Parker. v. Yahoo et al. The hearing lasted about 80 mnutes, and was
>very contentious.
>
>The judge said she was...
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Author: HCHC Date: Jun 25, 2008 16:08
On Jun 25, 7:00�pm, richard newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:15:28 -0400, "Ray Gordon, creator of the
>
> Mr. Parker, with all due respect,
Richard, that would equal none due.
> did you know it is possible to deny
> search engines the "right" to search your website?
He doesn't care that they search his site, he just wanted to sue
Microsoft and Yahoo.
It's the way he compensates for having an empty scrotum.
> Most generally used a fixed IP. You can deny access to your site based
> on that IP.
>
Raytard's an self proclaimed Internet guru that uses his site for
marketing. He'd have to be the dumbest mutha fucka on earth to not
want Yahoo and Microsoft (and Google) to index his site. I wish there
was someplace I could get odds on that proposition; is Gordon Roy
Parker the dumbest mutha fucka on earth?
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Author: VanceVance Date: Jun 25, 2008 16:23
On Jun 25, 3:23 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:
> This one isn't so knee-jerk.
>
> Today was the defining (so far) court hearing on the issues of search
> engines and copyright infringement. The judge did an incredible amount of
> homework for this hearing, and it showed. Almost an hour and a half of
> nonstop arguments of two very clear positions, and one very clear choice for
> the judge, who made it clear she has still not yet made up her mind, who
> ignored all "nonprecedential" past rulings, and has taken the bull by the
> horns to hopefully resolve this issue once and for all, not just for me, but
> for all websites.
>
> --
Ray, giving it the best spin possible, this was the most minor of
skirmishes and, frankly, from a strategic viewpoint, Yahoo! got more
out of it than you can. Through the whole period of the hearing,...
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Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivotRay Gordon, creator of the pivot Date: Jun 25, 2008 16:26
> Mr. Parker, with all due respect, did you know it is possible to deny
> search engines the "right" to search your website?
> Most generally used a fixed IP. You can deny access to your site based
> on that IP.
That is "opt-out" copyright protection. I told the judge that under the
current law, I am not required to opt out of anything, and that by
registering my work I was opting out.
I'm not out to deny anyone access to my site, just to ensure that no one
republishes my registered, copyrighted works.
With "opt-out" protection, I have to constantly monitor infringement, since
the burden is on me to remove it rather than them not to engage in it. This
has never held up in any court before.
Radios have to pay royalties to ASCAP when they play music. They have the
right to play the song, as long as they pay the "compulsory license" which
is set by law.
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Author: corkycorky Date: Jun 25, 2008 16:57
"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:x6-dnbqxPIcXWP_VnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@pghconnect.com...
> This one isn't so knee-jerk.
>
> Today was the defining (so far) court hearing on the issues of search
> engines and copyright infringement. The judge did an incredible amount of
> homework for this hearing, and it showed.
Did you call her a "social climbing whore" or if she married into money for
her sweet job?
Almost an hour and a half of
> nonstop arguments of two very clear positions, and one very clear choice
> for the judge, who made it clear she has still not yet made up her mind,
> who ignored all "nonprecedential"...
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Author: HCHC Date: Jun 25, 2008 16:58
On Jun 25, 7:26�pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:
>> Mr. Parker, with all due respect, did you know it is possible to deny
>> search engines the "right" to search your website?
>> Most generally used a fixed IP. You can deny access to your site based
>> on that IP.
>
> That is "opt-out" copyright protection. �I told the judge that under the
> current law, I am not required to opt out of anything, and that by
> registering my work I was opting out.
>
> I'm not out to deny anyone access to my site, just to ensure that no one
> republishes my registered, copyrighted works.
>
> With "opt-out" protection, I have to constantly monitor infringement, since
> the burden is on me to remove it rather than them not to engage in it. �This
> has never held up in any court before.
>
> Radios have to pay royalties to ASCAP when they play music. �They have the
> right to play the song, as long as they pay the "compulsory license" which ...
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Author: Krus T. OlfardKrus T. Olfard Date: Jun 25, 2008 17:29
gordy roy parker, newzloon who has been told by more than one judge that
he don't know shit about the law (they said it nicer but that was the
meaning of what they said), again tried to imitate a lawyer and spouted:
> A search engine could do the same thing with my content.
That statement presupposes that your 'content' has value.
It does not.
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Tard: n Someone whose actions/words make her/him look like an idiot in
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