On Sep 8, 4:22 pm, ragabo...@gmail.com wrote:

Uh huh, you "wimpified" yourself by putting the onus on her to tell
you if she wants to do something or she's doing something. From what
I've read, and it seems to sound reasonable, you don't ask a woman
anything or give her first crack at the decision, you make the
decision and tell her, then let her tell you otherwise. Or if you ask
her a question you make the response a false choice.

I think texting is weak, it doesn't allow you to "frame" the
conversation the way you want, all it does is, at best, ask a question
or make a statement, it doesn't cause her to act or take an action.
Since, supposedly the end result of your endeavors is to get her to
take the action of lying down in bed (with you) with her clothes off,
anything else is basically a waste.

I'm not a PUA but I have learned a few things. So, if there's
something you want to do or see, you call her up far enough in advance
(at least a couple of days) where you would have a reasonable
knowledge of her schedule, and you say something like, "Wednesday
night at 8, there's a fireworks display at the gunpowder factory, I'm
going past your place on the way to getting the molotov cocktails, can
I pick you up at 7 at your home or should I pick you up at work?"

Now, normally the PUA's tell you don't ask her a question because she
can turn you down, but in this case it's what's called a "false
choice" since the easiest answer for her is to let you pick her up at
one of the two places. (Also, since it sounds like you're going to
blow up the place it gives you strong "bad boy" street cred, but
that's a different matter!)

So if she isn't interested she has to specifically turn you down or -
which is acceptable - she gives you a different time or another place.

Or, you just tell her, "I have to go rob a bank and after I'm finished
I'll be able to afford to buy gas to take you to a motel for some hot,
steamy sex, so I'll pick you up at 7 tonight."

Again, she has to explicitly turn you down as opposed to making it
easy to turn you down by saying no.

"Do you want to go out to a movie on Friday?"

Here, you're making it easy for her to say no.

So, basically, the best choices are, if you have to know something in
order to take her out (like where to pick her up or her address) then
you use a false choice; otherwise you try to "force" the issue by
telling her what you're going to do, then make her have to make the
effort to turn you down.

Now some PUAs claim you don't spend money on a woman until after she's
done something sexual for you. But, I think that's unrealistic given
that if you show a sexual interest in her ahead of everything else,
she may think that is all you're interested in her for. If that's
the case and you have no problem then go that route. Otherwise, what
I think is appropriate - in fact I think it will work out great here -
is that you call her up and you say, "I know you're a little short
right now and can't afford to take yourself out, so I'll take you out
to dinner on Thursday at 7."

You could, at this point, ask her if she likes Italian or Chinese.
Now if she says it will have to be Friday, or has to be at 8, then
you've gotten her to agree to the date. Or if she says she likes
Chinese. In these ways, she has to step out of the frame and
explicitly refuse the date.

Another reason I disagree with focusing on sex ahead of other issues,
in addition to believing you're only interested in sex, too early
pushing for sex may also convince her that you're nothing but a
pervert. Personally I think if you push sex too early, the woman gets
the - probably justified - impression that you're lousy in bed and she
won't get anything out of it except maybe a social disease, pregnant
or both.

But then again these guys probably get laid more often that I do, so
what do I know.