Hi. I've previously been having no success at all with women, and I got
laid the first time a few months ago. I'm 23. I'm even fit and look
reasonably good. This is mostly because I did not have a clue how to
hit on women, so I just didn't do it. I guess that qualifies me as
below AFC. I don't have any confidence issues, though, but I have had a
hard time talking to people I don't know (I had no idea what to say),
which is something I've been working on for the last year with good
results. I've lately been reading a lot about seduction on the net, and
a few days ago I got a kiss-close from my first time trying to apply
some of this, and if anyone could give me a few comments on that, I
would appreciate it:

I went to a bar with salsa dancing mostly to dance (I'm very good at
salsa), but I thought it would be a good opportunity to try out some of
the things I have been reading about on ASF too. I asked a blonde (call
her Lula) with nice hair and some fabulous breasts (but otherwise
average) to dance with me.

hardtoget wrote:

Just confirming what he said, you should call her soon. More than
enough time has passed by. For instance calling on sunday afternoon
sounds good, I like that kind of time. Typically people are off work
but have little else to do at that time.

Yeah personally I always make them guess, mainly because I look way younger
than I actually am, but nothing wrong with saying your real age, just means
she's interested in you. But like dave deangelo says it's good to be playful
with your answers.

Seems like she is just asking what kind of girls you go for. Another show of
interest

Mathias wrote:

How do you find txting compares to calling?

Thanks hardtoget, dman and especially Mathias for the comments. I
appreciate it.

I called her just now, i.e. 2 days later, but I got her answering
machine and did not leave a message. I'll try again tomorrow at noon or
so.

I am planning on saying hi, asking her how her friday went and tell her
I want to get together at a coffe place on Tuesday at 2. Assuming she
accepts (which I think is highly probable) I will tell her this in a
slow, careful voice while smiling:

"When you see see on tuesday, I want you to *smile* and give me a big,
*warm* hug. Then I want you to *kiss* me... *passionately*. Can you do
that? Great, that sounds very nice. I'll see you on tuesday then. bye."

This is adapted from something I read somewhere, but that guy told the
woman to hold his hand rather than kiss him. That is probably safer but
this is more fun :-) Especially as I have already kissed her.

Alex wrote:

Thank goodness. All this "When should I call? How long should I wait?
What she gonna think if I call today? Tommorrow? Next week?" bullcrap
is so wussy AFC.

I absolutely agree with Alex and ashenthorn in the sense that an
attitude of "I need this to go well" is bad. I disagree in the sense
that I think that finding more effective ways of getting what I want is
a good idea. I figured being more effective is what alt.seduction.fast
is about.

It doesn't really matter to me when I call, so if there is some
specific time that will be better than another, then I might as well
call at that time. As I said, I suspect there is no best time, but if
there is, I'd like to have that knowledge. I am sure I have plenty of
AFC behaviours, but I don't believe this is one of them.

That makes a lot of sense to me, and I'm going to try out that way of
thinking. I would not say that I see attractive women as a prize in the...

Called again, no response, left a message with my email address. Seems
like a flake. A bit annoying but a nice learning experience. :-)

Thanks for the help guys!

In my experience, you don't want to wait too long to call but at the
same time you don't want to call too early.

Just call her.

If she does not answer, DO NOT LEAVE A MESSAGE!!!!

Let us know how it works out with her.

And congrats!!