Hi. I've previously been having no success at all with women, and I got
laid the first time a few months ago. I'm 23. I'm even fit and look
reasonably good. This is mostly because I did not have a clue how to
hit on women, so I just didn't do it. I guess that qualifies me as
below AFC. I don't have any confidence issues, though, but I have had a
hard time talking to people I don't know (I had no idea what to say),
which is something I've been working on for the last year with good
results. I've lately been reading a lot about seduction on the net, and
a few days ago I got a kiss-close from my first time trying to apply
some of this, and if anyone could give me a few comments on that, I
would appreciate it:

I went to a bar with salsa dancing mostly to dance (I'm very good at
salsa), but I thought it would be a good opportunity to try out some of
the things I have been reading about on ASF too. I asked a blonde (call
her Lula) with nice hair and some fabulous breasts (but otherwise
average) to dance with me.

We danced for a while. She just barely knew how to dance salsa, but was
clearly enjoying dancing with me. On a whim, I moved her so she had her
ass to my crotch, but she said she did not like that. I just smiled and
to my surprise, the positive mood was not broken.

After the dance I held my hand on her shoulder, and then she wanted to
introduce me to her friends, but they were gone when we got to their
table. We sat down and talked for a while, while I got some kino on her
hands, arms, shoulder and our legs touching. I felt I was building
great rapport, but I thought it was hard to move the conversation in a
good direction (she kept wanting to talk about politics!). She said she
wanted to go outside to smoke, I said OK and I wrapped my arm around
her on the way out which she liked.

Then we danced some more, this time much closer, and we ran into one of
her friends (call her Julia) on the way back. This woman had actually
turned me down when I asked her to dance with me earlier that evening,
though she may not have remembered. She looked to be between 22 and 26,
and was complaining that only old men in their 40s and late 30s were
hitting on her: "Do I really look that old?" My first reaction was to
say "no", but I said nothing, even though she was looking at me. Then
she made a sad face - I thought "great neg", and that I might be able
to get Julia and Lula to compete with each other for me as I had read
about.

A while later we ran into Julia again, and I thought I was giving too
much attention to Lula, so I stood with my arm around Lula, but talked
exclusively to Julia for 10-15 minutes. This made Lula move closer to
me and smile more. I broke it up by telling Lula to dance with me, and
then Lule and I talked some more. This time I sat next to her rather
than in front of her, but she did not react at all to my kino this way,
so I moved in front of her again and got a better reaction. I got some
kino on her thigh.

The bar was closing:

Me: I think you should give me your phone number
Her: Well, you can definately get *that*. Do you have something to
write on?
Me: no, I did not come here to... umh... I did not bring the hardware
(I don't know what I was thinking when I said that)
Her: (looking through her wallet) I have this certificate for McDonalds
that I can write on
Me: I don't think I've ever been offered a *burger* by a woman before
Her: (laughs very loudly)

Some other pieces of conversation we had:

Me: Do you know what the most important part of dancing salsa is?
Her: No
Me: Smiling
Her: (laughs)

Her: How old are you? (A shit test?)
Me: I'm 23 (feeling confident, looking her square in the eyes, neutral
face)
maybe I should have told her to guess? (hoop theory)

Me: I can see you are having a lot of fun dancing with me.
Her: (mishearing me) I am having a lot of fun too.
(a bit later)
Her: How would your favourite dance partner be?
Me: My favourite partner?
Her: Yeah, your favourite partner.
Me: She has to know how to have fun dancing, that is the most important
part (AFC?)
Her: (smiling)
Me: I like it if she is very good at salsa too.
Her: oh, ok (or something like that - negative reaction)
Me: I'm sorry, but you asked... (ARGH! Blatantly AFC and messing up the
neg)
Me: and then I don't mind if she is nice to look at either
(ARGH! I should have said "and then I want her to be *sexy*")
My answer was honest, by the way.

(sharp light coming on in the bar when it closes)
Her: Now you can see how I look (A shit test?)
Me: I know how you look (good response?)

We went with her friends to another dancing place, and on the way I
thought up this pattern, don't know how good it was:

Me: When you are acting a part, do you FEEL it DEEP INSIDE, or is it
more of a facade?
Her: blah blah blah

At the new place I danced some more with her (she had gotten a bit
better at salsa by now), and we ended up dancing very close, and she
were sliding her breasts across my chest as we danced, and she was
moving her hand down to feel up my triceps muscle. I tensed up the
triceps so she could feel it (good or bad idea?). She was turning her
face to the side, so I took the opportunity to kiss her neck and she
seemed to like it. After a while of this, I moved my finger under her
chin to lift her face up so I could kiss her mouth, but she turned her
face away from my mouth, but without interrupting the rest of the kino.

She wanted to get back to her friend Julia (crap!), and we sat down to
talk to her and the guy she had picked up. Lula placed her hand on my
thigh on her own. I placed my own hand on hers, and then I moved my
hand to the inside of her thigh. Then suddenly the two girls wanted to
dance with one another, and the other guy went to the toilet after
asking me if I was going to stay there (I said yes), so I got stuck
sitting at the table (full of jackets and purses) with nothing to do
for 10 minutes. I could not even much watch the girls dancing because
people moved into the line of sight. The situation got me bored and
pretty annoyed.

When the girls returned, she asked if I had seen how they danced, and I
said "a little". Then I said "Hey, you just left me here" in an annoyed
but not whining tone of voice (bad/good?). She either did not hear me
or ignored me. I figured I would not be getting her into bed the same
day, and that I should leave her wanting for more, and that I should
not allow her to strand me at the table like that, so I said in a
pleasant tone of voice "I'm going to be leaving soon, and I think we
should have a last dance". It was 2 in the night then. Julia said in an
annoyed tone "why is he leaving now?!?" and Lula responded "I don't
know". While Lula and I danced I tried to kiss her again, and this time
she did not turn away. At the exit we kissed some more with a little
bit of tongue. I said:

Me: I'll call you.
Her: You should
Me: I should (AFC?)

Then I hugged her, kissed her and left.

This was on thursday, and I don't quite know if I will call her at noon
saturday or sometime on sunday. I suspect it really doesn't matter.