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Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivotRay Gordon, creator of the pivot Date: May 26, 2008 17:30
Strippers like to use "stage names" to keep their "fantasy" life in the
clubs separate from their "real" lives. All well and good, but there is a
"loophole" that customers can use to let her -- literally --- pay a price
(lost income) for not doing so.
Strippers claim to be independent contractors, so customers not only have
the right to ask for their name, address, contact information, and even
social-security number, but they are REQUIRED BY LAW to do so in many cases.
IRS regulations are such that any independent contractor must complete a
form Form W-9 before getting paid, and must receive a Form 1099 if they are
paid more than $600.00 a year by any individual or other entity. The one
doing the paying must file a Form 1096 with the IRS that is matched up
against the returns of the recipients.
So the next time a stripper asks you for a lapdance, a VIP room, or even a
tip, you can pull out Form W-9 and Form I-9 (proof of eligibility to work in
the US, also required by law), and ask the dancer to complete both forms,
using her real name and info, of course. If she protests -- and you can bet
she will -- just say that, BY LAW, you are NOT ALLOWED to pay her until she
completes the forms.
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Author: fakeobamafakeobama Date: May 26, 2008 17:41
> Strippers like to use "stage names"
You try to sell shit on a website, don't you? Don't you use a "stage
name"?
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Author: AlexAlex Date: May 26, 2008 18:03
in article QrWdnVkIM5qpy6bVnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@ pghconnect.com, Ray Gordon,
creator of the "pivot" at ray@ cybersheet.com wrote on 5/26/08 8:30 PM:
>
Once again, we see that Gordon's methods are designed solely to gather
information and stalk young women.
I'd love to see Gordon take his own advice here but he's been banned from
every strip club in his area and couldn't afford the $600 anyhow.
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Author: justwaxingjustwaxing Date: May 26, 2008 18:13
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On May 27, 10:30 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:> Strippers like to use "stage names" to keep their "fantasy" life in the
> clubs separate from their "real" lives. All well and good, but there is a
> "loophole" that customers can use to let her -- literally --- pay a price
> (lost income) for not doing so.
>
> Strippers claim to be independent contractors, so customers not only have
> the right to ask for their name, address, contact information, and even
> social-security number, but they are REQUIRED BY LAW to do so in many cases.
>
> IRS regulations are such that any independent contractor must complete a
> form Form W-9 before getting paid, and must receive a Form 1099 if they are
> paid more than $600.00 a year by any individual or other entity. The one
> doing the paying must file a Form 1096 with the IRS that is matched up
> against the returns of the recipients.
>
> So the next time a stripper asks you for a lapdance, a VIP room, or even a
> tip, you can pull out Form W-9 and Form I-9 (proof of eligibility to work in ...
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Author: fakeobamafakeobama Date: May 26, 2008 18:17
> Strippers like to use "stage names" to keep their "fantasy" life in the
> clubs separate from their "real" lives. All well and good, but there is a
> "loophole" that customers can use to let her -- literally --- pay a price
> (lost income) for not doing so.
>
> Strippers claim to be independent contractors, so customers not only have
> the right to ask for their name, address, contact information, and even
> social-security number, but they are REQUIRED BY LAW to do so in many cases.
>
> IRS regulations are such that any independent contractor must complete a
> form Form W-9 before getting paid, and must receive a Form 1099 if they are
> paid more than $600.00 a year by any individual or other entity. The one
> doing the paying must file a Form 1096 with the IRS that is matched up
> against the returns of the recipients.
>
> So the next time a stripper asks you for a lapdance, a VIP room, or even a
> tip, you can pull out Form W-9 and Form I-9 (proof of eligibility to work in
> the US, also required by law), and ask the dancer to complete both forms,
> using her real name and info, of course. If she protests -- and you can bet
> she will -- just say that, BY LAW, you are NOT ALLOWED to pay her until she ...
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Author: AlexAlex Date: May 26, 2008 18:34
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>
> And why are you interested in people's social security numbers? Isn't
> that what identity thieves need to do their dirty work?
>
>
Gordon thinks you can deduct stripper expenses from your taxes.
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Author: dizzydizzy Date: May 26, 2008 20:02
Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>So the next time a stripper asks you for a lapdance, a VIP room, or even a
>tip, you can pull out Form W-9 and Form I-9 (proof of eligibility to work in
>the US, also required by law), and ask the dancer to complete both forms,
>using her real name and info, of course. If she protests -- and you can bet
>she will -- just say that, BY LAW, you are NOT ALLOWED to pay her until she
>completes the forms.
You are a fuckwit.
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Author: VanceVance Date: May 26, 2008 21:32
Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot wrote:
> Strippers like to use "stage names" to keep their "fantasy" life in the
> clubs separate from their "real" lives. All well and good, but there is a
> "loophole" that customers can use to let her -- literally --- pay a price
> (lost income) for not doing so.
>
> Strippers claim to be independent contractors, so customers not only have
> the right to ask for their name, address, contact information, and even
> social-security number, but they are REQUIRED BY LAW to do so in many cases.
>
> IRS regulations are such that any independent contractor must complete a
> form Form W-9 before getting paid, and must receive a Form 1099 if they are
> paid more than $600.00 a year by any individual or other entity. The one
> doing the paying must file a Form 1096 with the IRS that is matched up
> against the returns of the recipients.
>
> So the next time a stripper asks you for a lapdance, a VIP room, or even a
> tip, you can pull out Form W-9 and Form I-9 (proof of eligibility to work in
> the US, also required by law), and ask the dancer to complete both forms,
> using her real name and info, of course. If she protests -- and you can bet ...
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Author: AvengerAvenger Date: May 27, 2008 06:24
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>> tip, you can pull out Form W-9 and Form I-9 (proof of eligibility to work
>> in
>> the US, also required by law), and ask the dancer to complete both forms,
>> using her real name and info, of course. If she protests -- and you can
>> bet
>> she will -- just say that, BY LAW, you are NOT ALLOWED to pay her until
>> she
>> completes the forms.
>>
>> This pretty much makes it impossible for dancers who want to be paid to
>> do
>> so while using a "stage name." Besides, this way they can "keep it
>> real."
But I'd bet that the Tony Soprano types who run these clubs will keep it
"real" when they crack your skull in some back alley lol You're a naive boy
if you don't know that and are fooled by the civilised looking frontmen who
run these "high class" strip clubs. And what sort of a loser would even go
or spend money in these places?
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Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivotRay Gordon, creator of the pivot Date: May 27, 2008 07:30
So brave they are when cloaked on the internet.
So indicative of how devoid of lives or courage they are that they'd take
pride in something like their posts.
In the real world, they'd shit their pants at the thought of ever talking to
someone like that, which is why they hide.
They're cowards, plain and simple. Take note of all the "gurus" they
recommend when a potential consumer of their various scams show up if you
want to know who they look up to.
--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From
Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf
Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing
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