Hi guys

My name is Treval

I had posted here about my long term relationship with my 18 year old
girl.
Short review:

-me 23 she 18
-me Belgium she Denmark
-relationship lasted 5 months
-reason of breakup: called her too often

So guys

I officially lost. I officially am a loser.
So if you have patience to read this, I will try to fill you guys in
on what happened EXACTLY and how things got fucked up. I'll try to be
as short as possible while as detailed as possible.

The beginning:

When we first met at the train station, I was slightly drunk and
trying to be all confident as I possibly could. We looked at each
other, she instantly felt attraction, right on the spot. She found my
appearance really attractive. But you know what, I bet it was my huge
overwhelming confidence and positivity and control I had back then,
that attracted her. I used the "give yourself 100%%" rule on her, kept
talking and talking and avoiding quiet silences while trying to be
amusing. And boy did I succeed. I succeeded very well. I tried to
change environments all the time. Taking her to bars, bus stops, train
stops, run run rush rush to here and there, while she kept smiling at
every action I did. But apparently later on at a bar, she told me she
was certain that I wasn't attracted to her, since I was being so
aloof. Then I took her hand and told her that was not true. She then
knew I was interested. We went grocery shopping and all and she had a
blast finding 'funny colored fruits' and 'stuff' at the supermarket.
Later on we walked, she took the initiative of sliding her hand in
mine, and we both smiled. Then I thought of pulling the attraction
trick and moved my hand away. She took this as a sign of not being
interested, but I quickly convinced and told her otherwise. We then
sat down on the bench, and she admitted she wanted to kiss me really
badly. We then took our time and as our lips gently met the church
bell behind us began tolling and cars were honking at us. It was
fairytale, I swear. To me and to her.

Hot hot hot!!:

I pulled another attraction trick on her by delaying the time to get
to my house. She was all jumpy and happy smiling at me. I then took
her to my home, we relaxed and layed on top of each other. We went to
our bedroom, didn't take our clothes off but we were so attracted to
each other that I got down on her onto the bed and started making her
pussy warm with sensual hand movements. That girl was blushing and
burning red from attraction as I have never seen it. We then pounded
each other so damn hard, we squeezed each other's bodies against each
other, the juices from her pussy and my cock were litterally dripping
through our clothes and we felt it, it was a really intense, high
feeling. I behaved like some kind of caveman and tried a sort of...
wild really deep, ogre voice whispering really hard in her ear, with a
really deep voice. And oh boy, me scores again, that was a WONDERFUL
experience to her. This was attraction at its best. My voice made her
really horny. And so we kept pounding.

Things start to go bad:

3 days later I rent an appartment for her and me at sea (omfg $800 for
7 days, not cheap), for the sole reason that I wanted to be alone with
her without my mother wandering around at home. I wanted to have sex
with her. But, for some reason she told me she didn't 'feel' as easy
at the appartment as she felt at my home because 'it wasn't a place
that was mine'. Apparently she felt really nice at my home since for
some reason it being 'my place' felt nice to her. So we stay at the
appartment, do groceries and so on like a happily engaged couple, we
walk and go out almost every day, do restaurants etc, we do go-
carting. She gave me a really nice blowjob. Was nice. UNTIL the moment
I told her in bed 2 days before we left, "I love you". She was shocked
from me saying this and a few moments later tears began to stream down
her face... it confused me why she was crying but ... she told me then
that 'I'm sorry I don't feel anything for you... I don't feel the
same... I don't love you... I'm soooorryy.. :'(' .. then we both cried
on the bed really sad. The last day before saying gbye at the train
station she tells me in my ear "... I love you too". But as of today
she told me that she had told that then for the simple reason that she
didn't want to lose me. She was very sure whe wanted to meet me
again.

Things go even more bad:

She goes back to her country and we contact over msn every day really.
We have cyber and so on. Then two weeks later she goes to a party,
comes back at really late hour while I waited all day for her, for me
to find out that she was drunk, and I asked her about how the party
went, because I didn't really trust it. She told me she spent 5 hours
with this AMAZING guy talking about all her favorite things and what
not, playing this game pretending to be his girlfriend (not kissing or
anything, just talking) as she told me because an old lady was
harassing him. I got really fucking hurt and got really sad as she a
few seconds later was like "huh.. what's wrong... ... oh". Haha.
'oh', like she knew what was going on already. She then kept telling
me that I am the one she loves and no one else and she's mine etc.

The bad things continue:

After this, my confidence, manilhood and positivity went all DOWN THE
DRAIN. She had stolen my manhood. From this point on for some reason,
things started to go 'bad' (according to her). We argue a lot because
she puts on this stupid act ALWAYS telling me "I don't know how I
feel" and "it's not you, it's me" (rofl such famous words). No wonder
I got frustrated. So I kept on being nice to her. Then she tells me
she's going to sleep at her best friend (male), in the same bed. I
was like WTF! Then she explains to me that she's been doing this all
along, before she started dating me, even and that it had nothing to
do with anything. He's just a friend. Cough, just a friend who used to
have a huge crush on her and she kept saying no to him and then pawned
him off as her best friend. Anyways, my confidence and positivity went
even MORE down. I started getting depressed, lol. But then things went
ok again and I continued to be nice to her as she didn't do anything
wrong.

Annoyance and predictability begins:

And so goes the story. In between those times whenever she goes to her
friend I get raging jealous and once I even threatened to punch that
guy in the face. When I met her female friend, things didn't go that
well. I was more silent than ever and they both laughed at me for not
knowing how to play their stupid card game. But they were just kidding
and they found it funny. Recently she told me that she finds it a
problem that I don't spontaneously start talking with her friends,
while she goes off and do something else for an hour or so. This has
to do with self-confidence, because she wants me to be able to
function by myself without her being around me. The thing is guys, all
I do is whimper when she's not 10 seconds with me. I cuddle her 24/7.
And of course, this is yet another problem to her. It started to
become so bad, that when she rented a room for our privacy at her flat
complex, she began to find me extremely annoying for some reason. I
did NOTHING bad, nothing. All I did was just be with her all the time
and cuddle her while staying in the same room all day. But of course,
we resume being nice and happy to each other again, going out, doing
stuff.

My birthday, I'm a 3 year old kid?

I suggested to come over to her at my birthday (omg lol I just got
home from seeing her 7 days ago back then). First she didn't want me
to but later I convinced her. I wanted to make up for my stupid
jealousy/anger/pussiness. I went to her and she bought me a lot of
food, treated me really nice, another really good blowjob, and
suggested that we made a custom bear. Like those plush bears you fill
with filling, that sorta thing. It really meant everything to her this
event... building the bear... and all I did was "aarghh I don't have
the patience for this... it's too hot in here.. this line of people is
too long... I'm hungry... I'm hungryyyyyyy ... food... " complain
complain, and so on. She really found this unpleasant and told me it
felt like she was dragging around a 3 year old "mommy, mommy". lol. So
what was supposed to be one of the most special days of our
relationship is now reminded to her as me being an impatient stubborn
3 year old. She told me this recently. Then she bought twin hearts for
us that flash with lights etc. She really did buy a lot for me. Then
we calmed down and cuddled and so on and I went home the next days.

Confession of the hiding woman:

I don't remember why, but for some reason she was tired up to the
point that she didn't want me anymore. Everything she tried for me
from her heart resulted in shit. Buying me lots of stuff, buying me a
bear as a special sign of love from her, trying to make me happy.
Nothing. I kept being stupid and jealous. She told me on MSN back
then, that it wasn't me, it was her. She didn't feel anything for me
anymore, it was over. She was certain that it was over, everything
fucked. Then all of a sudden out of the blue she pushes me to the wall
and starts to go all wild on me. I respond to her by grabbing her neck
and kissing her lustfully and wildly grab her pussy etc. She whispers
to me with sweet eyes: "Treval.. what happened to us... what happened
to you... you used to be so wild... where's my man..." I told her:
"..but you always wanted to go to sleep.. you never wanted to do
anything wild when I tried..." she says: "..that's because you appear
weak to me Treval..." Obvious. Women aren't capable of feeling
attraction for weak men. The message was clear. We then made out a bit
more and decided to give it another shot. Start from scratch. Pretend
we never met.

Christmas and Newyear 2006, the last time I see her:

So then I met her, she looked all dreamy and brought us some Christmas
lollypops, she was all happy to see me and sneaked up from behind me
smiling. She kissed me and nuzzled, smelling me, she missed me. =)
As we go and pass Christmas there and she starts to go on msn on her
laptop, I start getting pissed and jealous at the people's she's
talking with because she's not giving me enough attention. I get SO
insecure inside that I couldn't help it but look at what she was
typing every time. She found this very very annoying. This happened
lots of times. Every time, I went crying downstairs (we had a room in
the cellar) and she stayed up, then came down to fetch me and hold me
calming me down. Boy, this happened a lot of times. For some FUCKED up
reason I started browsing her picture gallery and found half nude
pictures of her (upper body, breasts covered) and I got really angry.
She came happily from the kitchen and when she saw me doing this, she
smashed the grapes at me and got pissed, running away glaring angrily
at me. I showed her logs of a guy trying to hit on her and she got
even more mad. See, it's this kind of insecurity that pisses her off.
We cool things down and she forgives me and we start to cuddle again
as I promise her to not be so stupid anymore. She gives me another
really nice blowjob and we go have Christmas eve. We have nice times
and so on. One thing that wasn't so cool of me was that I constantly
kept asking of her to jerk me off. lol. I got addicted to it. I could
see the disappointment and lack of joy in her face when she did it.
But as things got better later on she was happy that she could make me
feel good. Then, one of the last days I fuck up again with jealousy
and she drags me to the bathroom telling me she's breaking up. I cry
to her and tell her that "it's not over yet, let me keep the promise.
ONLY break up with me when I go the last day." She agreed with this
and we didn't break up.

The last two beautiful days:

I spend time at her dad, then we go back to her sister's place and the
last two days are simply amazing..beautiful..wonderful. We watch tv
cuddling with each other, exploring each other naked and she felt so
happy, making funny comments about my smell, that I smell good. When I
get up at 6 am early in the morning and have to catch my bus to the
airport, she explains directions to me to the buses and train. I don't
understand what she means with the drawings and she gets really pissed
all of a sudden. Just because she had to go to school and couldn't
come with me, and was going to have a hard studying day, she throws
this on me. She starts yelling at me "WHY CANT YOU UNDERSTAND!!!
URGH!! ARE YOU DUMB!!!". And I stay there all silent being
disappointed in her. She later tells me "sorry... I'm sorry.." cuddle
cuddle and so on. I put on my clothes, we give each other a last kiss
and I go down the elevator making my way to Belgium.

The break up:

Two weeks go by as I increasingly keep calling her more and more times
per day. Her family starts to notice this and find me stalkerish. She
gets less and less interested in my phonecalls and keeps giving me
reasons why I shouldn't call her. "I'm busy", "I'm at school", "I have
to go now", "I'm watching a movie :D", the worst one was: "can I call
you later?" and she never did. She simply went relaxing with her
sister watching a movie while I crippled myself all day waiting 4
hours for her. lol. Hilarious. She then told me that everything was
fine and that we were fine there's no breakup we are doing, wonderful.
Yaay. I get happy that we didn't break up and we continue. But I just
keep calling and calling and calling her OBSESSIVELY. I just love to
hear her voice. Oh well, got attached.

Then finally I call her the last time and she gets so pissed that she
repeats "leave me alone, leave me alone". I call her 10 minutes later
and she says "I don't want this anymore. I made up my mind. I broke up
with you." Done. Nothing more I can do to change this girl's mind. And
I mean, NOTHING. No matter how hard I tried, I tried EVERYTHING. E-V-
E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G!!!

I tried talking sweet to her, I cried for an hour on the phone to her,
I yelled, begged, shouted. Stubborn as a rock. Broke up = broke up. As
a last resort I even recently tried to tell her I was going to fly
over to her against her will, and go talk to her solving our problems
IN PERSON. She doesn't find this a good idea. She's getting a new
cellphone with a new number and also, she moved. She has a new
appartment with her sister. So I couldn't possibly know where she
lives now. I tried yellowpages DK, but her old address is there, not
the new one. She refuses to give me her new address. And she tells me
if I go down there, she would NOT contact me and she would leave me
for dead on the street as I told her. So finally I called with her
mother and her mother explains to me that she's still young, she
doesn't know who she is or what she wants. Blah blah and so on. But
guys, this girl was REALLY CRUEL on the phone. And really cold. Saying
she wouldn't talk to me and saying she wouldn't contact me and leave
me all alone in Denmark. Saying really sharply "OVER = OVER, MOVE
ON!!!!!!!". I got angry and asked her why she has to be so cruel and
she says "to make it clear to you that it's OVER and we're never going
to have another chance." Anyway.

I tried everything until I got the door slammed in my face. I don't
have any more ideas guys.

Recently I got a chainmail from David DeAngelo explaining about how
all guys get fucked over and why women leave them and SOMEWHERE IN
BETWEEN THE TEXT I read the following:

"That one time when you call her too often, she doesn't decide she
doesn't want to see you anymore, she gets this GUT feeling that you
are NOT a man anymore. That you lost your manhood and thus can't make
her feel ATTRACTION anymore. Women don't tell you why they leave you,
when they get the gut feeling that you can't make them FEEL ATTRACTION
for you, then it's over. No amount of begging or trying is going to
help. No one can do anything about this but you. You must be a MAN and
being a man is being able to make her FEEL ATTRACTION for you."

Hints on the phone?:

So guys
She tells me on the phone that "if you move on, there might be a very
slim chance that I get back together with you someday again." Perhaps
this has to do with security and self-confidence. Women are attracted
to men with these qualities. So if I move on with my life I 'should'
be able to get her interested in me again. Then later on MSN we talk
and it comes to discussion "what went wrong with us". She tells me
that I was never able to understand her and I throw at her that it's
her fault "how can you expect a man to understand you if you don't
tell him anything!". I told her relationships take work, somehow to
convince her that she might try another shot. But nope. She made up
her mind and that's it. She told me "I don't have to tell you". I want
a man who KNOWS how I FEEL and UNDERSTANDS me." She coldly tells me "I
just realised we won't have another go =)". Then I confronted her with
the fact that she told me "if you move on, there might be a chance I'd
get back with you". She said "then I take that back, and there's no
more chance =) We're never going to have another chance again". I
think she meant that I should instantly know that she wants me to make
her feel attraction for me again. I think that only now I get it. ROFL
Am I right? I probably am. It's pretty clear.

So today we talked on MSN for supposedly a last time. She asked of me
"could you please stop calling me for now" (whatever she meant by 'for
now'). I was like wtf "for now"? lol. So I said ok I promise and I
asked her a favor back. I asked her if she could get our last set of
pictures we last took developed and scanned for me. So she could send
them to me. She says she'll try. We both have an agreement now.
I don't call her, she sends me the pics.

I lastly told her that since she broke up with me, she needs to feel
the pain of not seeing me.
She went like "-hugs you-" but I told her back off and don't hug me.
I told her that we shouldn't talk much more and that I'm going to
leave her for a while.
And that we'll talk someday perhaps again, but I don't know when.

I said goodbye and she says "... bye Treval.." all sad.

One more IMPORTANT thing.. :
She never removed our pictures online from her profile from when we
were together..
When I had asked her on the phone lately she admitted to me:

"I have to be honest with you..
I still love you..
I still miss you much..
I walked around in your shirt all weekend thinking about you..
"
It's sort of obvious she's not over me yet... and she still loves me..
The only FUCKING PROBLEM is that I don't know how to ATTRACT her back
to me...
Because that is what she desires that I do...
To be a MAN again for her..

Guys..
Bottom line is
I want to see her again irl..
I want to have a chance in getting back together with her again..
I tried everything, and I lost all hope..almost..
So now I try to make her miss me in order to attract.. I really don't
know...

What kind of advice do you guys suggest for me ... in order to make
her feel attraction for me again... in order to get my girl back...
get her back interested in me again... to give me another chance...

I really love her... I fucking mean it..

Thanks for reading...

Treval