>Why do you feel it's appropriate
>for me (or any other poster) to
>provide specifics and allow you
>to scrutinize my interactions with
>women, while you - a seller of
>seduction products and services
>claiming the effectiveness of your
>wares in every post - provide no
>such details about your own
>interactions with women using
>your own methods while citing
>womens' privacy concerns as a
>"reason?
I give specific free advice that the reader can use himself. You give
nothing of that sort, beyond saying "be attractive to other women."
If you took stands on specific techniques or explained why you thought they
were useful, that would be different. Right now you're just cheerleading.
>See, my posts do exactly the
>?opposite of endorsing the
>"industry".
No, they endorse methods which cost a lot of money. Not a specific method,
but the entire industry. If you were endorsing specific tactics and
techniques you'd be listing them.
>What you're asking me to do -
>talk about my use of specific
>methods taught by "gurus" in the
>seduction business - I won't do.
> I'm not here to make anybody money.
And not offering any advice, nor any proof of any conquests, which amounts
to industry cheerleading.
You were also attempting to defend the PUA lifestyle with that cheerleading,
no specifics, and no verifiabiity of your alleged success.
>I do endorse the principles talked
>about here: approaching women,
AFCs approach women.
>talking to women,
AFCs do that too.
>demonstrating value,
Women value height nad money as a rule. How tall are you and what do you
make a year?
Even there, there's still no specifics on how you put this into practice,
yet you were arguing for these methods.
How did you demonstrate value to the last woman you fucked?
>not supplicating or being needy or accepting of female BS, etc.
"Female BS?" Specifics? Are you accusing your girlfriend of being this
way? If so, it's understandable why she'd remain hiddejn.
An AFC's girlfriend has no problem going public with the fact that she's
fucking him. Seems that's not the case for the PUA.
Is it "female bullshit" if a woman sees through "the methods?"
\>You act as if AFC behavior is no
>longer the norm, but it is
It should be, as society couldn't function on PUA behavior.
>and the
>"seduction community" or
>"seduction industry" won't
>change >that in 100 years with
> a dozen TV programs
That's already been shown to be incorrect. There is not an unlimited number
of hotties in the world, and with every wannabe "PUA" gaming them, either
the methods work, and they are claimed by PUAs, or they are exposed by the
lack of hotties taken by PUAs that the methods don't really work after all.
If nothing has changed, why are women now earning livings as pivots? Why
are so many openers "used up" and no longer effective?
That's like saying media exposure of card counting didn't change blackjack.
>. Women manufacture AFC's
>and AFC behavior at a
>rate that could never be matched
>by any "seduction community".
Hardly. All it takes is for a guy not to get the women he wnats to undo
that. The explosive growth of the PUA material and its availability shows
that it's definitely possible.
The "AFC" you put down thinks he has game too. He's trying to get laid just
like the PUA. If his informaation is bad, he'll correct it.
>Some seduction gurus going on
>say, Dr. Phil under the title of
>"Women Beware!" and making
>complete asses of themselves,
Unavoidable, because it's not text, and it's a mixed audience.
Same reason the slut trash you fuck won't defend you in public.
>simply redoubles the
>rate of AFC production.
Actually not. It sets up for a later confrontation that the HBs delay
initally by telling men to remain AFC. The difference is this is a
suspicious AFC, giving "women" one more chance because his LJBF HBs told him
to.
The next wave is the AFC telling the HB to fuck off and that he'll get
results as a PUA, at which point the HB becomes a "challenge fox" and rigs
his results.
Many PUAs said that AT FIRST they reacted just like Dr. Phil, but then women
confirmed what they were reading, so they opened up to it.
You're confusing the first wave with the tide.
>Here's my thoughts on the
>"industry". Yesterday I went
>shopping and saw the following:
>Packages of 4 8.5oz Cokes
>packaged in decorative faux-
>1950's style bottles (34 ounces
>total) for $3.69. Right next to
>that, there were 12 can boxes of
>the same Coke (144 ounces total)
>for the same price. Now did I get
>mad at the Coca Cola corporation
>for ripping suckers off? No,
>Because even though it makes no
>sense to me at all, I know that
>some people will buy and
>treasure those stupid bottles even
>they certainly don't need them in
>order to drink Coke.
Coke doesn't cost $3k a bottle or promise sex with hotties.
>Some guys want the comraderie
>or inspiration of taking a workshop
There's the "cheerleading" I was talking about, by a guy who never proved
shit.
A real alpha could get the woman he's fucking to praise him in public.
Hell, an AFC can do that. "Ashenthorn," apparently, cannot.
>or living in a lair or buying some
>expensive course materials or
> whatever. To each his own.
Yet he's still "cheerleading" for what is being taught at these expensive
venues. He does it by claiming unverifiable results, and not even giving
specifics about what got him his alleged hotties, who might not even be hot.
>NOBODY needs them to get
>women, just like nobody needs a
>BMW Z-series convertible to get
>to the grocery store, but some
>who can afford it will want one.
In part because they've been misled by shows like the rigged VH-1 show.
That's a scam, a fraud, and a ripoff, and you sound quite ready to give the
industry a pass on that.
>You asked about my height and
>income: The answer is my height
>is exactly the same as it was
>before I read about seduction
>theory, and income-wise I make
>twice what I did when I was 25,
A 7' who doesn't know basketball is still easier to teach.
That he doesn't give these specifics is telling, as that's likely the source
of his "game." This is why he avoids scrutiny: the devil is in the details.
>but that's counteracted by at the
>same time becoming a 40 year
>old guy instead of a 25 year old.
Like I said: on the boards, when women aren't around, he can be anything he
wants. In the real world, it's likely just a tall guy with money being a
lot more AFC than he cares to admit.
"YES DEAR!"
>You could talk about height,
>money, looks, whether it
> was overcast or sunny out,
Studies consistently show that only the first two help a man get laid.
Notice he won't share his specifics.
No, he just wants to cheerlead for "the methods" and not take any liars to
task.
If the methods worked, the VH-1 show would not have to have been rigged.
>or whether its an odd or even
>date on the calender. You could
>make million excuses,
> things for me was approaching
>and learning to talk to women.
AFCs know how to do that too. They didn't get to be "borefriends" of women
that PUAs hit on (and want) any other way.
How amusing that the PUA puts down the AFC while hitting on the girlfriends
of AFCs.
An AFC's girlfriend also praises her man publicly, and isn't ASHAMED of him.
Doesn't seem that's the case for the PUA.
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