The nature of the PUA guru is such that proving their expertise by
demonstrations involve a lack of discretion that women find unappealing, so
altenratives are desirable.

Gurus are always accusing each other of stealing work, yet uncovering who
said what, when, can be a time-consuming task.

In the coming months, I will be archiving the copyright dates of each
seduction book on the market, and when they were first released, in the hope
of providing some easy reference, but I'm also setting up a challenge to any
guru to "put up or shut" up and demonstrate their allegedly superior
knowledge once and for all.

The answer? SIMULTANEOUS PUBLICATION. That's right: let every guru who
says they are better than the other gurus each write a book on picking up
women, AT THE SAME TIME, as they do in formal academic competitions. The
customers care only about what will help them tomorrow, not what might have
worked yesterday, so they'll benefit from the new ideas.

The gurus won't be able to steal the new ideas from each other, because
they'll all be publishing at the same time, with access to the same body of
accumulated theory and knowledge that everyone else has.

Looks like they don't have much on-topic advice to share with the group
here.

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Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru

Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From

Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf

Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing

Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make
from what they teach.

Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187

Hell, my *only* direct student in 1998 (who paid me $300), was thirty-nine
years old, used my techniques (one-and-done, returning fox, going against a
lot of advice on the boards at the time) to get a 9+ who was 23 years old.
He was with her for 2.5 years. He even posted about it.

The previous poster sounds like an entry-level MARKETING type who is
"respnoding to points raised by the competition." Only question is, who is
he working for?

I assume his use of my birth name means he believes birth names are fair
game, so keep that in mind if he whines should I ever use his.
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Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru

Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From

Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf

On Jul 22, 4:17 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

Bringing up MilesFNW again? Perhaps you should tell the whole story,
fr00t l00p.

MilesFNW claimed that foxhunting got him a great woman. However, when
the
relationship ended, he changed his tune considerably (saying things
like
"I'm getting used to being alone") and eventually publicly asked
Gordon to
leave him alone.

A google search for MilesFNW as author and alt.romance as group will
enlighten further.

What a stunning triumph.

In article pghconnect.com>
"Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" cybersheet.com> wrote:

On-topic advice has largely relocated to the forums on
http://www.fastseduction.com as well as other community-related
forums and blogs.

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"Alex" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9f12b0cc-5bb2-4c1e-86e2-4ba5a272ad82@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

gordy roy parker of the fairfax dump parkers, newzloon and legal buffoon
and NOT the creator of the concept of the pivot as he has admitted in prior
posts, turned lose a damp fart and the stain in his under-roos looked like:

Someone paid you $300 ten years ago and you think that this constitutes
PROOF that your rather odd 'seduction theories' actually work in the real
world?
No wonder you have been told by more than one judge that you have
difficulty with the concept of legal proof... actually, what those judges
said was that you don't know shit about the law... well, they said it in a
nicer manner but that was the main thrust of what they said.

The thing is, gordy roy parker of the fairfax dump parkers, if your rather
odd 'seduction theories' actually worked you would NOT find it impossible
to get a woman to pose in a photo with you... you...

On Jul 21, 4:36 pm, Alex gmail.com> wrote:

I loved this post from MilesFNW:

]

In article pghconnect.com>,
"Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" cybersheet.com> wrote:

Seems like Mr. "Legal Genius" is mistaking copyright for patent and
trademark once again.

I doubt he'll get very far as soon as he discovers seduction books that
predate his that discuss the exact same concepts from his books.

Because such a reference is no good unless ALL seduction books are
included, right? Including those in foreign languages and those
available only in e-book form and those available only in paper form and
those now out-of-print but still under copyright.

He also needs to be aware of scholastic journals that discuss seduction.
And magazine articles, including from GQ, Esquire, Playboy, FHM, Maxim,
etc.

If he misses anything, then it can't be considered authoritative.

And it could very likely be considered biased.

Considering the source, I expect it to be biased anyway.
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Trianna wrote:
(Re: MilesFNW, Gordon's only customer ever)