> Turin wrote:

>> It's about time women start taking military service
>> seriously. "Support roles", my ass.

>
> That support role claptrap is going to be going down the tubes pretty
> fast with women in uniform abusing their positions as outlets for their
> hostilities against male prisoners. I agree that it's good to see
> attitude hardening against them. We should protect the kids, but not
> women. The Israelis may have tried it with women too soon but there's
> still time to give it another go.

>> True, they need to do this when they're younger, like the
>> Men. But, it's still leaps and bounds over today's Gray and
>> Farrell style dualistic "equality" (AKA Equivalency) - where
>> the women get equal say for being affirmed as "strong",
>> while making cookies, changing diapers and performing broken
>> down tasks that Men are expected to do as a whole.

>
> People who try to live in the past only lie to themselves. They know
> when change is coming and they do their best to ride the old wave as
> long as they can. While the mouthy old bitches hide out in the
> kitchens and keep carping against men the young ones go along with the
> changes. It's our job to make sure that they don't have an easy
> retreat when they're hitting 30-40-50-60.

>> Men, today, don't need, or have, to "earn" the right to get
>> laid in a relationship with such women. What they need is
>> women who put in EQUAL contributions - not token, or
>> sentimentalistic contributions.

>
> The only sentimental contribution I want from a woman involves her ass
> in the air. After that it's back to work, rest or play for the both of
> us. If she wants a house to live in then she has to work outside of
> it. If she wants to play tennis or go horseback riding then she had
> better have helped pay the bills. If she wants her pussy licked then
> she has to suck some cock for it. I'm for equal rights but not for
> being taken advantage of.

>> Then, if such situations as this should ever arise within
>> Western society, we could feel secure knowing that the one
>> we're with is going to stick by us, because she's EARNED the
>> title of "Partner".

>
> It always makes me laugh whenever a woman actually manages to do the
> same task that is expected of a man and then promptly disposes of that
> team player mentality of hers. Suddenly the rewards are all hers
> because she's earned it, while the man is expected to pay for two.

> Fuck that shit. I told a couple of my girlfriends up front that if
> they lost their jobs to not bother coming home. One tried it anyway
> and I had the locks changed on her and threw her shit out on the lawn.
> Come garbage day I moved what was left to the curb.

> I didn't miss a
> beat over her. First night I went right out and managed to get laid
> the same night.

> That's the way all guys have to think these days. Look out for #1, or
> you'll have the same thing done to you.

> Mike.
>
>
> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1962704,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1

>>
>> Old women step forward as 'martyrs'
>>
>>
>> A 70-year-old blew herself up in a Hamas attack. She may be
>> just the first of many elderly recruits
>>
>> Sandra Jordan in Beit Hanoun, Gaza
>> Sunday December 3, 2006
>> The Observer
>>
>> In the centre of Beit Hanoun, there is nothing left of the
>> 800-year-old mosque but the minaret. It looks like a
>> lighthouse stranded in a sea of rubble. People whose homes
>> were demolished during the latest Israeli army incursion sit
>> on plastic chairs around bonfires. At night they bunk down
>> with the neighbours. One of them is Watfa Kafarna.
>>
>> 'I saw the Israeli soldiers eye-to-eye,' she said. 'They
>> took my four-year-old grandson, Mahadi, who has Down's
>> syndrome. They shook him and yelled: "Where are the guns?"
>> Now he is traumatised and wets the bed every night.'
>>
>> Article continues
>> Not his own bed - the Kafarna family is homeless, living off
>> the charity of friends. Tears run from Watfa's eyes as she
>> looks at her son, daughter-in-law and grandchild huddled
>> around a brazier. Her husband, Diab, shuffles across the
>> ruins towards his wife. 'Bossa!' he says, 'A kiss!' In a
>> highly unconventional move, Diab kisses his wife on the
>> mouth. 'She is my heart, my eyes, my light. We have lost our
>> house but not each other.'
>>
>> During the incursion, Israeli soldiers detained all men aged
>> 16-40, including Watfa and Diab's sons and grandsons. The
>> army targeted the mosque, attempting to arrest militants
>> hiding there.
>>
>> The women put up their own resistance, gathering as human
>> shields around the mosque to help the militants escape. 'I
>> am 72, says Watfa, 'but by doing this I felt 20, young and
>> useful and ready to act.' She pulls off her long veil and
>> holds it high in her right hand. 'I waved my hijab as a
>> white flag and prayed with the other women in front of the
>> holy mosque. But the Israelis continued to destroy it.'
>>
>> Two women were killed by the Israeli Defence Force that day.
>> Watfa was bruised, as was 70-year-old Fatma Najar, hit by a
>> bulldozer. Three weeks later, Najar blew herself up near
>> Israeli soldiers, wounding two. In Gaza she is seen as a
>> heroine. 'If the Israelis came to my house to gun down my
>> children and I had a belt, I would do the same,' says Watfa.
>> 'The woman is the biggest loser here,' says Khola, a
>> neighbour, standing on the remains of a kitchen where flour
>> is mixed with pulverised masonry. Two hundred homes were
>> destroyed in Beit Hanoun. 'Fatma Najar, an old woman, did
>> what many people don't have the guts to do. If you go back
>> and research Fatma,' says Khola, 'you will see her home was
>> destroyed on top of her head, her sons jailed, her grandson
>> killed.'
>>
>> 'We want to believe in peace, but how can we when the
>> warplanes still fly over our heads every night,' asks Watfa,
>> 'making our grandchildren cry and wet themselves? When there
>> are still tank movements on the border? I can't believe
>> there will be peace.'
>>
>> Najar's family heard of her attack on the radio. 'We thought
>> it must be another Fatma Najar,' said her son, Jihad, 35.
>> 'It never occurred to us it could have been my mother. Then
>> the crowds started to arrive and we knew it was true. We had
>> mixed feelings, sadness at her irreplaceable loss. But pride
>> too.'
>>
>> There is a huge shaheed - 'martyr' - poster of Najar on her
>> house. It is shocking to see an old woman carrying an M16.
>> Some of her 70 grandchildren and great-grandchildren play
>> beneath the picture. Israa, six, wears a pink top with
>> 'Happy Childhood' embroidered on it. 'My grandmother's gone
>> to heaven. Because she shot the Israelis,' she says.
>>
>> The funeral tent is empty now, the three days of official
>> mourning over. On the first evening, men from the Qassam
>> Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, arrived. Her son Inam
>> said: 'They told us: "Your mother has been asking to do this
>> for two years. We said no. Finally she said, if you don't
>> give me a belt I will go anyway and get killed and my blood
>> will be on your hands. We gave in".'
>>
>> Other old women now want to become suicide bombers. The
>> family talks of why she did it. Perhaps it was her
>> grandson's death. 'My son, Adil, was 18 when he was killed,'
>> says Fathiya, 52, Najar's eldest daughter. 'He was throwing
>> stones at the Israelis.' Then there was Fathiya's other son,
>> Sha'aban. He attacked an Israeli soldier with a knife. He
>> was shot 72 times, lost a leg and is paralysed. The family
>> show a photo of Fatma, a sweet-faced woman in a white cotton
>> scarf. Neighbours crowd in with stories of her generosity,
>> how she gave sweets to local children, told stories, played.
>>
>> Najar was a religious woman, involved with mosque committees
>> and close to memorising the Koran. It was only after her
>> death, her family discovered she had been working for Hamas:
>> 'They told us she had carried food, water, ammunition to the
>> resistance at the front line. We had no idea.'
>>
>> The night before her suicide operation, Najar went to visit
>> all of her children and grandchildren. She brought clothes
>> and sweets. 'But she was always so good to us,' says Inam.
>> 'As she left me for the last time, she looked back in a way
>> that made me wonder, but then she was gone.'
>>
>> 'On the day she acted like it was a normal day. She baked
>> the bread in the clay oven. She took a shower, put on a new
>> dress and went out,' said Jihad.
>>
>> 'I think the final straw was the Beit Hanoun massacre [a
>> family of 17 killed at dawn when Israeli shells hit their
>> house]. Mother went to the family's home and asked the
>> women: "Why leave it to your sons to die? If Allah allows, I
>> will become a martyr." They said: "You think they will take
>> an old lady like you?"'
>>
>> A fortnight later she was a suicide bomber, injuring two
>> Israelis, decapitating herself. This weekend Hamas held a
>> ceremony in Beit Hanoun, in memory of the 140 Palestinians
>> killed in November. Thousands attended, waving Hamas flags.
>> The mayor, Dr Nazek el-Kafarna, made a speech in honour of
>> Najar: 'This old lady looked at the houses destroyed and the
>> trees uprooted. She looked at how our people had been
>> humiliated. She took her soul in her hand and rushed to her
>> martyrdom.'
>>
>> Huda Haim, a Hamas PLC member, believes Najar's act begins a
>> new culture. 'We know behind the Israeli leaders there are
>> decision-makers studying the behaviour of the Palestinians.
>> Fatma told them they can't end the Palestinian issue with
>> violence.'
>>
>> The audience was thronged with women, many elderly, many
>> clinging to photographs of their dead. 'We all want to be
>> like Fatma,' they shouted.
>>
>> 'I am happy about the ceasefire,' says Zaifa. 'But if the
>> Israelis come back, they will see what we will do, we will
>> be like Fatma Najar.'
>>
>> 'I know at least 20 of us who want to put on the belt,' said
>> Fatma Naouk, 65. 'Now is the time of the women. Now the old
>> women have found a use for themselves.'
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>>
>> "It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who doesn't have
>> the guts to stand up alone and declare his own freedom?"
>>
>> ~ Jim Morrison
>>
>> - - -
>>
>> "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye
>> him":
>>
>> Turin
>>
>>
>> I have such sites to show you...
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
>> deleteth, or maketh a lie about these words or causeth them
>> to not be known shall burn in hell forever and ever...."
>>
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