Tom Vizzini wrote in news:_MydnZwWSq8UO8LbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@
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> "Speeding"
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> >>> Let me jump in here becaue it is a good question. Fear of approach
>>> is in no way genetic. The reason that some guys have a fear of
>>> approach os because they view themselves as inferior to beautiful
>>> women. That belief is projected as a filter that they see women
>>> through.
>>
>> But all men have this fear. Certainly I was never taught to fear
>> approaching women. I don't know many that were. Nor would I say I
>> view myself as somehow inferior to beautiful women. Then again, I'm
>> not a great example perhaps, because I have almost no approach
>> anxiety whatsoever. Approach anxiety is, or certainly seems to be,
>> genetic, as it is a precursor left over from hundreds of thousands of
>> years ago, when approach could be fatal.
>
> Nope....natural selection would have bred that out because those who
> did not approach would not reproduce.
No. I can't agree this would be true. Homosexuality should also then have
been bred out by natural selection. But it hasn't been. What would have
happened, though, I would think, is that natural selectin would lead to
breeding lines where there would be entire generations of people that are
more predilected toward approaching and generations that are not. And, not
too surprisingly, that does seem to hold true.
> I agree that a lot of guys have fear. 99%% of the time it has nothing
> to do with women. They are not assertive in many area of their lives.
Exactly. There are some people that are assertive, but they are assertive
in all aspects of their life. As a whole, though, even non assertive people
are able to reproduce. Natural selection is not really a factor in the
survival of Homo Sapiens. People that require glasses are able to survive
and reproduce. People that require insulin can survive and reproduce. Many
genetic factors that, in other species, would lead to natural selection, in
humans, are overcome. I think that's also true for approach anxiety.
>> Well, and, perhaps, to reduce the programmed response that was
>> learned. To reduce or eliminate the fear produced by reliving the
>> original fear inducing event as an outside observer.
>
>>
>>> The 3D Mind does one simple thing. It takes the one choice and
>>> surrounds it with a thousand other equal choices. This is done by
>>> retraining the brain to have access to more adaptability than it
>>> has in the problem filter.
>>
>> Now that sounds a bit hard to fathom. I can't understand the concept,
>> is what I mean. So, instead of having flight as a choice for the
>> response to fear, 3D Mind somehow adds additional options as a means
>> of dealing with the fear? I understand fight or flight as a theory,
>> somewhat. I had no idea there were a plethora of choices, though.
>> Fear is a powerfully motivating emotion. Choice seems to be something
>> that fear limits by nature.
>
> Exactly. The more fear the less choice. The more choice the less fear.
But then this means that the fear must be somehow reduced, surpressed, or
otherwise dealt with, in order to allow those choices. Is there a means by
which the level of fear could be overriding, and yet still allow for
maximum choice to take place?
>>>> Now... my question then would be, though... how would it work for
>>>> a non- learned response. Using ants from my first example... ants
>>>> that are actually attacking... that's a real danger. So, the fear
>>>> would remain and you would move away, is this correct?
>>>
>>> Absolutely. That choice is still there. It is not supressed. There
>>> are just a thousand other choices as well that have varying degrees
>>> of response. So you could just walk away if ther is a little danger
>>> or still run like hell if there is a lot of real danger.
>>
>> What if I wanted, for some strange reason, to remain and allow the
>> ants to continue to attack? I can not fully imagine how 3D Mind would
>> allow this to work as a response... though I must say I personally
>> have taught myself to do just this... so I'm not saying it's not
>> possible. What you are saying, is that in the face of actual
>> danger... or even pain infliction, I would, using 3D Mind, have the
>> ability to remain in face of the fear and the pain.
>
> It is not about letting ants eat you. It is about choices of how to
> respond. Instead of fear you may chose to study them. You may walk
> away instead of run. You have all range of choices.
Somehow, I doubt they'd actually manage to eat me. Army Ants... sure. Fire
ants.. nah... it'd take them a lot longer to devour a person. So, my
question would be about being able to have such self control that I could
perform something akin to Gary Busey's cahracter in Lethal Weapon. I could
place my hand into a fire and hold it there in spite of pain and fear, even
while my skin is smoldering and crisping. That is something I'd like to be
able to learn.
>> As I told GNR... I'm very interested, because if the system can
>> override emotions as powerful as pain and fear, I can also imagine
>> how I could use the same contructs to override emotions such as
>> guilt, honor, and duty. Without such emotions acting as a block on my
>> actions, I could undertake actions that currently I can not. Such as
>> bluffing at the poker table.
>
> OK here is the difference in philosphy. There is no over riding of
> emotion. There is balancing of emotion that allows a balanced response
> to an event rather than an automated response that is a reaction and
> has no choice.
Even to balance it... if I could hold my hand to an open flame and do so
with the response to pain and fear... that would be a very powerful and
useful ability to be able to acquire. I don't think it would matter that
the pain and fear is balanced, surpressed, or what... if I am able to
achieve that result. I presented the example of holding your hand to fire.
But, another great example is holding your breath until unconsciousness
results. The natural response is to breath in, even underwater.. and to do
so in only a few seconds, perhaps a minute or so. But the human body can
actually go for many minutes... perhaps as long as thirty.. without a
physical need for breath. Can I override the fear of suffucation using the
3d Mind to achive an ability to hold my breath for extended periods of
time?
> As for poker...that is a different skill wher you suspend reality and
> use a professional poker players filter to replace your own.
That's the skill set I'm looking for. The ability to control my bodily
responses. I'd love to be able to control things like pupil dilation...
pulse rate... skin tone/flushing... all sorts of stuff. And with emotional
control, that's possible.
>>>> Approach anxiety is not a learned response either. It's evident
>>>> from the very first time a boy attempts to approach a girl. So,
>>>> then, the 3D Mind would not work on such a condition, other than
>>>> on later added filters, since the original fear is natural and
>>>> genetic, correct?
>>>
>>> Approach fears are not genetic. They are a combination of over
>>> amplified desire and low self esteem. If you want to good example
>>> of how the 3D Mind took care of approach anxiety in just 15 minutes
>>> I have a video testimonial from a 36 year old man who had talked to
>>> only 3 women in his entire life. That nite he fearlessy approached
>>> 100. Over the next weel he approached 1000 and got kicked out of 4
>>> hotel lobbies in Honolulu for talking to women :)
>>
> .
>> If 3D Mind can act on one emotion, it can act on them all. And thus,
>> I should be able to eliminate the resonses I have to activities such
>> as blufing, bargaining, negotiating, and all sorts of activities that
>> would normally cause physical responses that others can easily spot.
>
> Yes I would say that is definately possible. It depends on what the
> problem is. People with a lot of guilt are lousy negotiators.
Well, I gave the flame thing and holding my breath as examples. Also,
though, being able to control my pupil response would be a massive
advantage. Many people consciously or not, look to pupil dilation as a
measure of interest and intent. Ditto for skin tone and for other subtle
"tells". Being able to control these tells would mean I could control my
non-verbal communication just as I would my verbal communication. Such a
skill would be extremely valuable.
>>
>> It certainly seems that way because no one I've ever seen has learned
>> AA. It's simply there from the get go. Recalling the days back in 3rd
>> and 4th grade, guys were afraid of approach. No need to learn this.
>> It was just there. It's a holdover from the reptilian brain. There's
>> research that does show this, though I have not delved into it much.
>
> Nope...I have to respectfully disagree. Lots of beliefs and desires
> were contructed before the 3rd grade. The brain is not even fully
> formed and hormones start to generate.
This is the same thing some people say about criminal tendancy,
homsexuality, and all sorts of behavior. Yet more and more, science is
closing the gap on the genetic markers that control such things. If such
behaviors are learned, then they can be unlearned. But, that'sa pretty
offensive concept to a lot of people that have "behaviors" that they claim
might be genetic.
>> Anyways, like I said.. my real desire is to learn to elimiate the
>> emotions and resonses from guilt, anger, fear, and anxiety... such
>> that I can use this to be able to bluff, lie, cheat, and negotiate
>> just like a pro. Right now, I suck at such endeavors.
>
> Well if you are good at constructing deals you never have to lie and
> cheat. If you lie and cheat you should have guilt and anxiety.
> Bluffing and negotiating is different.
Bluffing and negotiating are the basis of constructing deals. Ideally, the
deal you construct is beneficial to everyone. But, you bluff and
negotiate... to determine just what gets that result. Anyways, I'd like to
be able to "contrsuct deals" that get me into womens hearts. And pants. And
a bit of blugging and negotiating are also skills that get that result.
It's good for them and it's good for me. If I can learn to control other
aspects though.. like being able to blush on cue or getting my pupils to
widen on cue... so much the better.
> have fun
>
> Tom
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>>> Have fun
>>>
>>> Tom
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>>>>> Harun
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>>>>> P.S.
>>>>> I wont be using my computer alot from now on so if I reply late
>>>>> sorry about that.
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