>>> The gal in the middle was the target. After all, the older married
>>> woman was old... married... and not great looking. But, the more the
>>> older gal tried to push me away, the more the one in the middle did
>>> to try to get me to stay. Of course, I found out it was also pissing
>>> off her girlfriend... the gal on the right. After a few more
>>> exchanges of banter, she slides over and sits in her lap. Didn't want
>>> the gal, but it was fun as hell and great practice and learning.
>>
>> Kind of like picking horse races without betting actual money on the
>> picks.
>
> Okay. Sounds like a fairly okay analogy to me. I can enjoy watching the
> races without wagering any money on the outcome.
Most people can, though it's hardly the same experience.
>I can even be just as
> excited and learn just as much from doing it. It's not as risky, but then
> also not as likely to garner any winnings either.
Actually, it's very risky. Who wants to pick winners they don't bet? Then,
if you're testing a method, you have to win three times: once to test it,
once to confirm it, and once with real money. By "testing" it immediately,
you actually save money and time. That's also true of pickup theory in that
you can find out more in the field than by watching someone else in the
field (or reading about it online).
> Still... it's fun and educational and it could be a good warm-up for the
> real gaming.
I disagree there, as there are several problems.
For example, the "Dr. Z" method was published and showed how people could
exploit inefficiencies in the place betting pools based on race results
(horses who had a greater percentage bet to win than to place were thought
to be good place payoffs due to the effiicency of the win market). In
practice, however, gamblers did not have the final tote data with a minute
to post, could not always get their bets in on time, and even when they did,
too much late money would normalize the pools.
In other cases, pool size comes into play (similar to the total hottie
population in a given area). If your method works on paper, the minute you
start betting it, you are adding winning tickets to the pool and cutting the
price. Even at a relatively large track like Philadelphia Park, your extra
$1.00 on a winning Superfecta ticket might cut a $20,000 payoff in half,
eliminating all profitability. In the win pool, even a $500 bet can slice
that 6 percent "theoretical" advantage to nothing.
Finally, people are willing to take (necessary) risks "in theory" a lot more
quickly than in practice. If you're not betting, you might fancy that 12-1
shot against the heavy 3-5 favorite, but putting your actual money on it
might be as scary as approaching that 10.
There is no way to simulate real-life experience in gambling or seduction.
The only "research" that counts is actual practice in actual, real-life
situations. The rest is a simulation, but can never be more.
>>> But, anyways... one lesson learned... even a line that comes from The
>>> Game that gets countered by a woman can be used to generate even more
>>> attraction. Using a single line or routine isn't going to do much...
>>> but having a few replies ready can make it gold.
>>
>> That means it was canned material, and in a situation that wasn't
>> actually a pickup, just socializing, and women will generally allow
>> things to happen there that they won't otherwise.
>
> Well... the first line was canned. The replies after that were not...
> just improv to further play around and see what I could get as responses
> and to see what kinds of game worked better than others.
Still, it wasn't a high-stakes game, as sex was not on the line.
Women have their batting practice too.
> It wasn't exactly a pickup... but it also wasn't not a pickup. I could
> have tried to pick her up, had I decided to.
I always doubt this claim the way I doubt someone would leave a $100 bill on
the street if they found it. If she was so nondescript that you'd ignore
her, why is she worth a report?
The 19 year-old german hottie I had a "set" with on a busride last week was
one I would have fucked anywhere at any time, and she knew it. Could I have
closed her? Maybe, but socially it's not easy to be rejected in public by a
woman half your age, and I don't care who you are. That's why I like
social-butterfly game as it doesn't carry that risk. Another PUA would have
closed her in a heartbeat I'm sure, but could he have opened her so
efficiently or would he have bombed with "canned material?"
Do you really think it was obvious to observe that because she was sitting
on the pavement, she was down to earth? That pose actually impressed me the
first time I saw it, which was a few years ago at another bus stop. A woman
like that isn't made of porcelain, isn't self-conscious, and usually far
easier to open. That observation alone can make the difference in a set.
The set you ran reminds me of one I ran in Georgia with a GBI Agent's
girlfriend (who was with the GBI agent). My boss was a criminal defense
attorney that the agent didn't like (in a legal way) because my boss could
spring almost anyone, but the agent didn't seem to care that his girlfriend
was flirting with me, even asking me to dance (which I refused). I may have
made "progress" with the woman, but she knew the limitations, as did I.
Then again, perhaps the agent wouldn't have minded if I had taken her off
his hands (she was a bit much).
Once a chick has a built-in cockblock, flirting becomes teasing, and
responding becomes enabling.
>She didn't know and neither
> did her friends, if I was trying to pick her up or not. They thought, as
> best I can garner, they thought I was. So they responded as if I was.
> You see, it's not too difficult to take a "normal" social situation and
> convert it into a pickup.
Of course it is. It always is. It always will be. If it weren't, everyone
would already be getting laid all they want with who they want.
>It's a bit harder, in my limited experience, to
> trun a pickup into a social interaction, but not impossible to do. Now
> granted, I've not spent thousands of hours in field yet... so I might
> develop different ideas over time... but that's what makes field
> experience so valuable.
It's valuable if it has a purpose and leads to genuine progress, as in
fucking a 9 or a 10.
> You should consider trying out some experiments in-field yourself and you
> can understand how that experience can be so valuable. I wish I could
> convey what field experience is like, but it's really not something
> you'll understand until you do it yourself.
How odd that someone likely much younger than me forgets that I was once a
younger age, and in an era that didn't have an internet, where we actually
had to go out all day and night to socialize.
Does he really think that a man my age (40) should be hitting the clubs and
bars every night? For what purpose? Been there, done that, puked in the
t-shirt more times than I care to count. The "field" was all there was when
I was in my gaming prime, and I took to the internet only after I had passed
the age when closing down bars was a normal activity.
I would say that if one intends to be insulting, as "Speeding" apparently
does, that it's extremely cowardly to attempt to frame it as helpful advice.
He certainly wouldn't fool any woman as to his lack of courage, and she'd
wonder if he was going to be the same way to her if she ran afoul of him.
--
Ray Gordon, Author
Price And Probability (The Value Handicapper's Bible)
http://www.cybersheet.com/horsepix.html
Would someone PLEASE become Ashlee Schull's new #1 fan? She deserves
better.
"When people are engaged in something they are not proud of, they do not
welcome witnesses. In fact, they come to believe the witness causes the
trouble."
-- John Steinbeck
