They say women are hardwired to respond a certain way to men. If so, for
how long can one make money teaching something that DOES NOT CHANGE? As
with any new invention, the price DROPS over time. Any claims of "improved"
methods simultaneously refute the claims that women are unchangine, or that
the previous methods would work forever, devaluing them again. With more
teachers appearing every day, the market is now being flooded with instant
"gurus" who prey on desperate men, by priority of whale.

The entire industry is crashing, because the newbies just aren't that
attractive to women, and too many of them are trying for the same target
pool, which is becoming more educated in stopping the methods, and even if
they like the methods, they hook up with ONE PUA and are off the market.

The only question is when the students who are now being ripped off are
going to ignore the threats and blackmail they are getting as a warning not
to speak out (similar to the way they pay others to harass me, only they
have a lot more personal info about their customers), and just begin filing
consumer complaints and/or speaking out on the web.

The next two yeas or so will peel every layer off the current fraud. The
noise of a half-dozen or so anonymous cowards on this group won't change
that.

in article C5idnW2CMd_Z_1LanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@pghconnect.com, Ray Gordon,
creator of the "pivot" at ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 3/5/08 10:17 PM:

Don't worry, fr00t l00p. Just because we're kicking Tom's ass instead of
yours today doesn't mean we love you any less.

Now go play in traffic.

The "we" that claims not to act in lockstep?

Such deslusions the previous poster has tsk.

The previous poster's "metrosexual" eide is emerging.

This is the previous poster's concept of toughness and "alpha" behavior. It
more than speaks for itself.

--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy

Ray's new "Project 5000" is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/project-5000

in article G7GdnbUQgscf9VLanZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@pghconnect.com, Ray Gordon,
creator of the "pivot" at ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 3/5/08 10:44 PM:

Is it your contention, fr00t l00p, that everyone who walks around the
steaming pile of dogshit and complains about the smell is somehow acting in
"lockstep?"

Alex never got over having a mouth that is 100 times stronger than his body.

He's just a whining wimp who gets his bravery from his PC.

The poor BOY is just fixated on me, apparently hating that no one gives a
fuck about him when he posts about anything else. He's just pathetic and of
little consequence, as his behavior clearly indicates. Nothing but a
typical hater loser.

--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy

Ray's new "Project 5000" is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/project-5000

Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work.

Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187

In article <3sadnc7Uj8gb71LanZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@pghconnect.com>,
"Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" cybersheet.com> wrote:

And now that you've said that, do you feel better?

Because it hasn't changed my mind about Alex or about you.

On Mar 5, 9:26 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

Who in BLAZES are you talking to, nutter?

Can't you just say... oh, I dunno, 'you' like a normal sane human
being who doesn't pretend that he/she is speaking to the media, FBI,
CIA, NSA, PETA, CNN, ABC, FOX, 100s of AFCs just on the brink of
buying a workshop, the homeless people on the corner of 100th and
main, God, Jehova, Mork and Mindy, The cast of Three's company, and 60
beautiful supermodels?

 Nothing but a

You call someone a "hater" - a mindless, knee-jerk, contemporary-
mantra term favored by pubescent girls in the bygone Napster era - and
you have the gall to call someone a "metrosexual"?

have you ever posed as a young girl in a chatroom? Just wondering.
Tell the truth, shame the devil!

From: sotwareg@mindspring.com (Ray Gordon)
Subject: Time to cast a spell
Date: 16 Dec 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <3496fd63.45890883@news.mindspring.com>
X-Server-Date: 16 Dec 1997 22:21:43 GMT
Reply-To: sotwareg@mindspring.com
Organization: ICN
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

I am a psychic. When I can't find justice any other way, I cast a
spell. Here's another one:

I command the heavens to make this true: Any person who criticizes me
from this point forward will experience the following:

1. If they have a child in gymnastics, that child will suffer a
paralyzing injury in the gym;

2. If they do not have a child in gymnastics, their favorite gymnast
will suffer the same injury.

From: sotwareg@mindspring.com (Ray Gordon)
Subject: Time to cast a spell
Date: 16 Dec 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <3496fd63.45890883@news.mindspring.com>
X-Server-Date: 16 Dec 1997 22:21:43 GMT
Reply-To: sotwareg@mindspring.com
Organization: ICN
Newsgroups: alt.sports.gymnastics

I am a psychic. When I can't find justice any other way, I cast a
spell. Here's another one:

I command the heavens to make this true: Any person who criticizes me
from this point forward will experience the following:

1. If they have a child in gymnastics, that child will suffer a
paralyzing injury in the gym;

2. If they do not have a child in gymnastics, their favorite gymnast
will suffer the same injury.