Tonight I had a day2 with the Russian HB 7 (now demoted to 6) that I
met at the Russian party and made out with last Saturday. I've been
emailing back and forth with her this week and told her to come out
tonight after work and that we'd get drinks. And I tried to play it by
the book.
1) She called when she was leaving work. I told her I'd just finished
having dinner with my friends and was back at my apartment. I told her
to meet me at my apt. and that we'd leave from here. She seemed
hesitant on the phone and suggested we meet at the bar. I didn't give
up and said "No, I don't want to be waiting around for you there, it's
easier if you just come to my apt. first." So she did.
2) When she got the door I opened up, and she was not nearly as hot as
I remembered. I tried to act natural but I didn't give her a big hug
and kiss her on the lips, the instant attraction wasn't there and so I
just gave her a sort of half-hug and kissed her on the cheek. Told her
I was busy/got caught up in work stuff and would just take a second.
Messed around with some spreadsheets on my laptop for a minute or two
while she perused the books on my coffee table. Then she went to the
bathroom, presumably to check out how dirty it is (it's very clean).
3) Finished up what I was doing on the laptop, grabbed my coat and we
left. On the way out the building I started kino'ing her, rubbing her
back and holding her hand to re-build the attraction. We walked in the
freezing cold to the bar. This place has a section with tables, and
also has a section with a long upholstered seat against the wall,
tables, and chairs on the other side.We went to the side of the place
with the long upholstered seat - she sat down on it and instead of
sitting on the chair on the other side of the table, I also went on her
side so I could still kino her.
4) We got margaritas and talked for about 30 minutes. I was joking
around a lot and completely controlling the frame (at least I think so,
but I know I still have major frame control problems - ok, to be honest
I'm not 100%% sure what "controlling the frame" means, but it sounds
cool - lol).
5) At some point I kissed her. We did some fun role-playing and
flirting. I told her a story about my childhood (how I became an
actor). I didn't stack anything or use any routines, I just improvised,
but I was definitely not AFC, I was doing my best cocky/funny (which is
usually either too cocky, making me look like a dick, or too funny,
making me look clownish). But I think I got it right.
6) I paid for our two drinks but only because the bill was $18. I put
down $22. No big deal. I work at a multinational corporation and they
pay me well. But I also paid for her drink at the party last week. So
if I continue to pay for things I know I'm falling back into AFC
territory. Need help here.
7) We walked outside. She says to me "Are you going to kill me now and
dispose of my body in the river?" I look around and go, "Not yet, I
have to make sure nobody's watching." I chuckle then I nudge her and go
"How do I know you're not going to kill ME?" and she goes "Good point"
so I think I'm ok. There is a footpath and a park near my apartment
where I like to walk and sit with girls. It's a good makeout spot, but
not this time of year because it's FREEZING outside. After walking a
bit, she starts to complain that it's so cold and she wants to go
inside. So we go through the back door of my apt. building. As we're
going in, she says she's going home and not coming inside. I'm thinking
"OK, here comes the LMR, play it cool."
8) She walks through the lobby and halfway to the elevators before
stopping. At this point it's only 11 PM. So I give her shit about being
lame for going home before it's even midnight. In my mind I'm thinking
"there's no way she actually wants to go home, she's just fucking with
my head." So I sort of lead her to the elevators, but not in a way that
makes me look desperate. I am saying things to her like "You are not
seriously considering going home, are you? Give me a break." I also
used a time constraint and told her "I have to get up early tomorrow so
you can't stay late anyway."
9) Finally I convinced her to get in the elevator and we go to my apt.
First she won't even take her boots off. But I put on a movie and after
a little while she relaxes a bit and we cuddle on the couch while
watching the movie. My situation here is awkward because in my
apt.there is a living room with a couch and a big TV, and doors leading
to my bedroom and my roomie's bedroom. She knows my roomie is in his
room but I've told her he's a hermit and never comes out of his room.
After a little while we are making out on the couch and she is cool
with it.
10) Here's where I have trouble. She keeps wanting to watch the movie.
Of course I know the movie is only a pretense to get her to come to my
apartment so that I can fool around with her. But she knows this too.
We keep making out for about 30-45 seconds and then going back to
watching the movie. After a little while we start with a little
petting, I am massaging her thighs and her back now when I make out
with her and at some point put my hand up her shirt and massage her
breast. But every time we have a little makeout session, we eventually
go back to watching the movie.
11) She tells me she is going to leave soon. I know she thinks she is
in control and I am getting annoyed by all this resistance. At some
point during the movie, I decide to try something. I say "I'll be right
back" and get up and walk into my bedroom (since I know telling her to
go with me will not work). I sit in my chair and start typing on my
computer, checking my email. She stays in the other room and gets
upset, she says loudly "Are you checking your email?"
12) I say, "Well yeah, you're leaving anyway, right?" This is a neg
designed to get her to come into the bedroom to give me a piece of her
mind, at which point I will jump her. But she actually gets mad at me
and starts putting on her boots to leave. Now maybe she is just upset
because she is used to being in control and I am not playing her stupid
games. I know I'm not supposed to say I'm sorry and beg her to stay -
that would be too AFC'ish. So I'm acting like I don't care if she
leaves.
13) I go back in the TV room saying something smooth and grab her and
we immediately go down on the couch making out again. There's a lot of
sexual tension now, I feel her up a little bit and we are grinding
against each other but after maybe 60 seconds she gets up and goes "I
really need to get back to Brooklyn, be a gentleman and show me to the
door." Basically at this point I'm so annoyed I want to slap her, but I
don't show this on my face - I am totally cool. She gets up and puts on
her jacket, I give her a little kiss and say "Bye Natasha." She walks
out of the apartment and to the elevator - I leave the door ajar and
hide behind it, watching her through the peephole.
14) She can see that the door is still open, but she walks to the
elevator. Turns around, looks briefly. The elevator comes and she gets
on it. Game over.
OK, here's how I see it. I feel like if I'm skilled I should be able to
get a lay on the day2. But this girl seems to enjoy resisting. The
thing that annoys me is she's NOT hot enough to justify it. She is only
a Russian Jewish chick with a voluptuous figure and is barely
good-looking enough to be fuckable. But she is prissy as all hell and
carries herself like she's the Queen of New York.
Now I have much hotter prospects than her all around me. I've been
flirting with girls all week and even email-closed a cute Asian chick
on Tuesday. Russian girl MUST know she's not the only girl I've got my
eye on but she still acts like she's the shit. I don't get it and I
don't buy into it. She seems frustrated that I'm not acting AFC and I'm
frustrated that she's not jumping me. My read of the situation is that
she wants to fuck me, but she wants ME to be begging for it. She is
attracted to my too-cool-to-care attitude, but she doesn't want to give
it up too soon or she'll feel a slut.
If I knew a lot of patterns, felt comfortable doing shit like the
Cube/Strawberry Fields/etc. then maybe I could have turned this into a
lay. I'm not there yet. But if I could understand what I did
fundamentally wrong, I'm sure I could learn from this experience.
Feedback PLEASE. Thanks all.