That means, if you are serious, there's nothing to talk about. I don't
negotiate, since I only devote time to teaching this material when the meter
is running. My rates are not cheap, I will not meet you in person (unless
you pay for my travel and security detail), will rarely talk to you on the
phone, if ever, and I do not guarantee any results, because every man has
limits on what he can attract. If you hire me, you will be added to my AIM
buddy list and can ask me questions anytime you like, to which I'll respond
the next time I'm at my computer, which is several hours each day. This
format has been tested successfully on a few men and I know what it entails.

OR

One could take an "in field" seduction course, and speak, see and interact
with their guru of choice.

Parker, you're "Methods" have no value.

Yes, I'm "retired" from teaching men how to game women. The game is over.
Now I teach women how to stop PUAs and do a bunch of other stuff.

However, if some guy wants expensive coaching, he can now get it through me.
Those who want free material can have fun with the old "B" game.

The typical hottie now has over 100 PUAs gaming her at any given time, and
99 of them are gonna fail. Neither Mystery or any other guru can fix that.

--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru

Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From

Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf

Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make
from what they teach.

Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187

"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:sbGdnQ5ZWM8v8XTanZ2dnUVZ_t2inZ2d@pghconnect.com...

That's not what your website says scumbag. Lying again hey Gordita?

For 2.5K a month, I'd want more than your bi-polar rants on AIM.
Man up and make a DVD or online videos, show YOU out in the field.

You ARE a GURU right?? so this shouldn't be an issue for you?

Are you basing that on your AIM experience?
So a "Typical Hottie" has a screen name 2sexi4uNY?

in article sbGdnQ5ZWM8v8XTanZ2dnUVZ_t2inZ2d@pghconnect.com, Ray Gordon,
creator of the "pivot" at ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 3/25/08 5:20 PM:

Yeah, and I'm "retired" from teaching Portuguese.

And if you're as "successful" at that as you are at everything else, no one
has anything to worry about from your "stop PUAs" methods.

If people want expensive Portuguese language lessons, they can get them
through me.

Of course, I don't speak Portuguese but that wouldn't stop you, so why
should it stop me?

Women pay you for this, uh, "teaching" you do, huh? I'm sure they do.

And what the fuck even gave you the idea that women don't want to be
picked up? Because one said so? Did you really believe her? HAHAHA.
You fucking doofus. Your words show that you know painfully little
about women or the way they think to ever fancy yourself a "guru" at
anything b esides being a flaming asswipe.

"Ray Gordon, Newzloon" cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:sbGdnQ5ZWM8v8XTanZ2dnUVZ_t2inZ2d@pghconnect.com...

Thank you for admitting that each time you post here you are spamming.

Chances of that are zero, it hasn't happened yet and it won't happen in the
future. In order for people to pay you money, you first have to have
something they want.

What a load of crap, the reason you make it seem impossible is because YOU
CAN'T do it can you?

On Mar 26, 10:58 am, "fakeob...@gmail.com" gmail.com>
wrote:

indeed, here is some "evidence" for you mister guru Ray:

last night I had a friend ask to set her up on a blind date (why would
she want that? because she wants to meet a guy for her! d'oh)

and today I was talking with another different girl who was agreeing
with how girls find it difficult to meet the members of the sex too
(i.e. they want to meet them too)

On Mar 25, 1:20 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

Ray, you can't retire from something you never did.

If someone paid you a dollar, that would be expensive coaching from
you. Anytime you pay more for something than any sanely imaginable
value it has, it's expensive at a minimum.

Umm ... Never mind.

On Mar 25, 5:02 pm, "Ted E Bear" johndoes.org> wrote:

TEB, have you seen any post by Gordon that has the capacity to create
the suspicion in the stupidest reader that ANYTHING he says is worth
listening to? I just check in on him to make sure that I don't miss
him making the fatal error of giving me an opportunity to get him in
court. Oh, and to slap him around a bit, but that's just sorta like a
note to let him know that I haven't forgotten him. It's just one of
those little personal rituals that long time, close aquaintances
have. I may have missed something.

in article 67c61124-8203-4bd7-b6b2-f47b1a389fa5@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
dman at dman@mytrashmail.com wrote on 3/26/08 12:45 AM: