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> "Odious"
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>>> "pandora"
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>>>> "Odious"
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>>>>> "pandora"
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>>>>>> "Odious"
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>>>>>> news:MdPwg.2490$5H.2333@dukeread06...>>>>>>>>> I may not support the crap that our military is being ordered
> to
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> the monkey in the Whitehouse... but I still want our military
> to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> killing machine. Not a coed >politically correct sensitized
>>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> club. People who are trained to kill and destroy... they tend
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> very kind hearted or polite or respectful to women... which
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> keep them separated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are men who think women should be drafted into combat
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> women are now business executives, governors of states, judges,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> Well physically disabled men hold those positions and nobody
>>>>>>>> expects
>>>>>>>> them to be drafted for anything in the military, let alone
> combat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ability isn't really the issue. I'm sure there are some bullish
>>>>>>> women
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> there who can kick ass just as well as any man. The issue is
> women
>>>>>>> demanding to be let into an all male environment, and then
>>>>>>> complaining
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the environment is hostile to women. Well no shit...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, dear, make up your frigging mind, will ya? You sound just
> like
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> hysterical female. Some don't even want women in the military at
>>>>>> all.
>>>>>> Others absolutely INSIST that women should be doing their fair
> share
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> military. Now, which is it going to be. Take your time. I can
>>>>>> wait.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marg
>>>>>
>>>>> Who are these "others"? And what exactly do the opinions of these
>>>> nameless
>>>>> others have to do with me making up my mind? My positions are
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> clearly stated right here in this thread.
>>>>
>>>> Really? Didn't look that way to me.
>>>>
>>>>> Here's an idea... instead of debating strawman arguments you make up
>>>>> then
>>>>> attribute to nameless "others"... why not try responding to what was
>>>>> actually said in this thread?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or should I take your argument as a concession that you can not
> address
>>>> the
>>>>> points that have been raised?
>>>>
>>>> Whatever you like, dear.
>>>>
>>>> Marg
>>>>
>>>
>>> Feminists ruin EVERYTHING they poke their fat beaks into!
>>
>> Well to be fair... not at first. Feminism used to be a noble idealistic
>> philosophy... simply saying that women should be able to get the same pay
>> for the same work... to be independent and self determining... to have an
>> equal say in matters of state and other basic civil rights.
>
> AND to be allowed opportunities heretofore denied them. Please don't
> forget
> that.
Yeah, like I said... civil rights and independance.
>
> But at some
>> point in the late 70's and early 80's feminism became about retribution
> and
>> punitive action against men.
>
> Not, but please do go on.
>
Oh such a detailed and well supported refutation.
> When women reached a relative level of
>> equality, the whole fight became confused. Some women felt the fight was
>> over and they won, but others...
>
> The battle was over but the war isn't done, yet. There's still the mopup
> to
> be done and the enforcing of rights won and a few other things.
>
Really so women are being denied the right to vote... the right to own
property or to work outside the home?
What rights are women being denied?
> the profiteers of the gender war... wanted
>> to keep going and continued to seek out more and more ridiculous fights
>> in
>> an attempt to punish men for the very state of being male.
>
> No feminist that *I* know has any interest in punishing men.
And what feminist originations do you belong to?
Pick one and I'll be happy to provide you with examples of them supporting
punitive actions against men in general and in laws eroding men's civil
rights in particular.
Unless like most pro-feminist types, you like to avoid any debate on
specific examples.
> It is perhaps
> men's own concern (knowing how THEY have behaved over the centuries), that
> makes they worry about such and be concerned.
>
Wow you just proved my point... you are attempting to rationalize the
punitive attacks on men by trying to argue that men deserve punishment
because their ancestors behaved badly. And note that you specifically avoid
drawing any distinction between men today and men from a centuries ago...
and attempt to lump them all together and act as if they are all the same
and thus equally guilty of oppression and abuse of women..
As I just said, the feminist movement has become about punishing men for, "
how THEY have behaved over the centuries". Because sexist feminists see men
as monsters and rapists responsible for centuries of oppression in much the
same way a KKK member sees blacks as all criminals and gang members
responsible for the decline of morals and decency. Both views are equally
as bigoted and ignorant.
>> Feminist found out that men's work is hard, men's lives are hard, and
>> they
>> didn't really like doing it. So they demanded that they be allowed to
>> return to the home and have kids... but this time they demanded their
>> employer pay for it. Funny huh... so much bullshit from feminists about
> how
>> they are independent and do not need a man to support them while they
> raise
>> a child. Yet they simply shifted that burden from the father to the
>> employer. Now the law says the employer has to give a 6 month paid
> vacation
>> to any woman who wants to crap out a kid.
>
> There is such a thing as paternity leave. Ever hear of it? Equal rights
> for parents, dear. The sex is irrelevant.
>
Paternity leave is shorter and not mandated as a medical condition the way
materinity leave is. As such a male employee must get permission and the
leave is unpaid.
>> That's the feminist idea of independence.
>
> I guess those men who take Paternity leave are just wimps then, eh?
> Figures.
>
I guess there are no single mothers, eh?
How exactly does the existence of paternity leave in any way negate the
point I was making about the way women expect employers to subsidize their
procreation schedule?
>> Modern feminism is a joke... there are ranting and raving feminists today
>> who were born in 1985. Yet they act like they've been subjected to every
>> gender based injustice short of witch burnings. But it seems the most
>> pressing issue of modern feminism is private golf courses that won't let
>> women be members. That and making most workplaces as droll and boring as
>> humanly possible, by making everybody afraid to even say hello or tell a
>> joke for fear of being hit with accusations of sexual harassment or
>> making
>> the workplace hostile.
>
> If you haven't figured out the difference between making a joke and sexual
> harassment, then you do need to get educated and fast. Before you get
> yourself in trouble, dear. It's for your own good. I suggest you get
> counseling immediately!
Notice here that marg can't refute my point, so instead she has to make a
snide personal attack, insinuating that I do not know the difference between
a joke and actual sexual harassment. It is a very standard feminist
non-argument response to any questioning of the feminist agenda. She can
not argue the point that pretty much any woman who wants can make a
complaint about anything, no matter how benign. Hell a friend of mine got a
warning from his HR department because some woman complained that he played
a song that was offensive to women. The song was Elton john's the bitch is
back... and it was on the f-ing radio. Apparently playing a classic rock
station is the same thing as telling a subordinate to sit on your lap if
they want to keep their job.
Since marg can't defend this blatant and obvious abuse and perversion of
sexual harassment laws... she has to make a personal attack on me.
