Long time reader, first time poster. I have a problem, and seek the
advice of the ASF community. I use to have pleanty of action. I was an
athlete, and I enjoyed having good times with the lady friends. Those
were the good ol' days. Things changed as I put on a lot of weight. I
still have super charisma which has picked up the slack (quiet well),
but if I don't have a chance to use it, I'm shit out of luck.

I'm talking about bars and dance clubs where your first impression is
a half a second glance. Normally a girl looks away as soon as I try
and make eye contact. That's some serious shit to overcoming. I've
found that if I take a girl with me (a friend or my very own wing-
women), I guess it adds enough social proof, and I end up leaving the
club satisfied. It does not work if im with a guy. Has to be a women.

Problem is when my lady friends are busy. What to do? I go to the club
and get no action. Not even a phone number fron the ugliest girl
there. The issue is my weight, which I am working on (280 pounds). But
if I could just get her to keep eye contact, I would be alright due to
my other positive attributes.

On Jan 27, 2:43 pm, BartSimpso...@gmail.com wrote:

On Jan 28, 8:43 am, BartSimpso...@gmail.com wrote:

Good article found after two seconds of searching around:

http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/skills/looks-do-matter.html

so yeah, it matter. but a lot of these details are little things you
can easily improve.

On Jan 27, 3:23 pm, dman mytrashmail.com> wrote:

I seem to keep hearing that you should stay away from bars and night
clubs(unless ofcourse you are a seasoned pro)because the women there
are all on the defensive and have their bitch shields up. They say
book stores, coffee shops, at the gym, grocery stores and especially
malls are better. I don't agree with this and here's why. It is
probably true that a good percentage of women in clubs and bars have
their defenses up but so do women in those other environments. In fact
in my opinion(and experience)it seems like most of the time you are
going to come off as a creep if you approach women cold in those non
normal pickup places(unless you start by using an opinion opener and
even then it's tricky)because women aren't used to it and are not
there to be picked up. I guess it's all a matter of preference and
perspective but I think at least in a bar or club the woman half
expects to be approached by at least one guy throughout the duration
of the night(so why not you). It seems to me that most of the time I
do get eye contact from a woman in public it is usually(I'm talking at
least 90 percent of the time here) at a bar/nightclub/party/social
gathering, etc. Many women go to these places to meet men simply
because they don't know where else to go(in person is always better-
the internet should not be your only way of meeting women if you ...

On Jan 27, 8:59 pm, "mjre...@netscape.com" netscape.com>
wrote:

in article
c9042e15-a12a-4165-a3ce-87085fe911a5@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
mjreiss@netscape.com at mjreiss@netscape.com wrote on 1/27/08 8:59 PM:

On Jan 27, 9:08 pm, "BartSimpso...@gmail.com"
gmail.com> wrote:

in article 29156a7e-5d21-4281-8f66-3e12afeada58@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
mjreiss@netscape.com at mjreiss@netscape.com wrote on 1/27/08 9:05 PM:

WRONG WRONG WRONG

Women will look away when eye contact is made no matter whether they're
interested.

It's why you can't presume that when she breaks eye contact and looks away,
that she's not interested.

This is the #1 mistake people make regarding eye contact.