>>What the hell is so wrong about teaching
>> men how to create sexual
>> attraction from women (the kind that
>> leads to sex), that the guys who
>> do it for a living have to blatantly lie
>> about it while accusing the other guy of
>> being the "bad" guy who teaches all the
>> sex stuff.
>
>>>> So much for women loving the idea of the methods.
>Well it's a two part thought process that
>you could observe even as
>short of time period as the length of the
>show. At first, the idea of
>men that know how to talk to women
Flaw: "knowing how to talk to women" is based on women's reaction to what is
said. When women learn the source of what is said (the methods), their
reaction changes, the man's results turn negative, and it's obvious the
"PUA" does NOT know how to talk to women. He had known how to FOOL women.
This is why the show was called "Women: BEWARE."
An UNEDUCATED woman might react to these methos, but an educated one will
not. Many PUAs are quite confident that they can make the women in their
lives immune to game.
Now, for those women who "like game," there are also women who LOVE "skater
boys." I used to skate all over Manhattan as transportation beginning when
I was fourteen or so. Had real expensive skates that could move like the
win, even outrunning city traffic. In one case, I saw a woman onto a bus
uptown, only to be waiting at her stop when she got off downtown, standing
there with my skates tucked away in my backpack. She loved that, as it
displayed physicality (reproductive strength), and creativity. It was also
early January and about 15 degrees outside. Is that "game?" Yes. Can it
be learned? Only to a point. To make it happen I a) had to have a reason to
skate that much; and b) had to live in Manhattan. Today, that wouldn't even
be game because lots of guys are skaters, and while skating still impresses,
one must be a "hot skater" or a "cool skater" in a way I never had to be.
The PUA is no longer a rarity or a novelty, and certainly not a challenge
beyond searching the net for the source of his material. Despite this, new
products keep coming out, with higher and higher price tags. It's gotten
like any other self-help cash cow.
>seems nice to them (see their show
>of hands when asked and the blond hotts
>talking about enjoying the
>conversations and stories presented by the
>guys),
They enjoyed the conversations to the extent that conversation was all the
men were after. Inject a sexual agenda into those conversations and the
women then judge the men based on traditional factors (looks, etc.).
They'll want the "cool skaters" for sure, but these methods were not
designed to help the winners run up the score, even if that is what they do
now: help men who already have life's advantages more efficiently convert
them.
>because womens'
>general main complant about men is that
>they don't know how to talk to
>them or that they lack communication
>skills.
They men DESIRABLE men who ignore them, not the losers who chase them. Just
like when men talk abotu "women" they mean PRETTY women, not the desperate
fat or ugly chicks.
Anyone defending methods which are based on women being dishonest about what
they want should apply that belief consistently.
Communication by men is a SYMPTOM of the man's attraction to them. The man
who doesn't "communicate" with them is not attracted to them, and THAT is
what they are complaining about. The loser who calls them every day or week
has no problem communicating.
The other aspect of this is that women are labeling any man who doesn't tell
them what they want to hear as a bad communicator.
>But then upon further
>thought and envisioning the reality of this
>scenario, of course women
>don't love the idea of the methods because
>they don't like the idea of
>THEIR man (who is to be chosen by them
>for whatever arbitrary reason)
>posessing the skills to attract other
>women.
Actually, women like men who can attract other women, and accept this all
the time. Do you see women avoiding players? Some do, but more like the
chaolenge. What they don't like about these methods is that it raises the
possibility that they misjudged the men they know as losers, or that they
can't exploit their resources any further.
The woman who rejects a "loser" who then turns up with a hotter girlfriend a
week later acts like a chessplayer who just hung his queen. She is mad
because if she had known earlier what she learned later, she wouldn't have
rejected him.
>They want their
>particular man to be helpless in this
>regard for obvious reasons (whether they
>already have a man or are just imagining
>the future), thus they are against the idea
>of the methods. It's all about control and
>it's a perfectly natural reaction.
Men do this to women too, most often with money or somet other need (like
for the LD).
>The
>precise moment in the program that the
>women in the audience started to turn was
>when the one MM guy let an essential
>truth slip - that what they teach is about
>increasing mens' options.By the way, I
>don't understand why these guys are on
>Dr. Phil in the
>first place. The market for their products
>and services doesn't watch
> Dr. Phil.
it's media credibility which is used to convince internet strangers that
it's okay when they go commercial, but not when others who lack that
exposure do the same.
Lots of men do watch Dr. Phil, and even more watfch YouTube. Part of being
a PUA is not being afraid of hostile territory.
>Shouldn't they be getting on
>programs that young men watch?
They are then accused of preaching to the choir or having a biased audience
in their favor
--
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