Some SHILLS are here working for the nightclubs, where the lair leaders have
deals with the clubs and get kickbacks on cover charges or any bottle
service.

It's yet another SCAM from the "seduction community."

--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy

Ray's new "Project 5000" is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/project-5000

Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work.

Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187

Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight
contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid
targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined
their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?

"Ray Gordon" wrote:

A Judge has just told you:
"Plaintiff has an obligation to provide more than labels and conclusions."

And what are you doing now ?

Making accusations without providing evidence.

Yet again.

It's yet another accusation without evidence from "Ray Gordon".

DISCLAIMER:
I don't actually frequent nightclubs, ironically enough...

Nothing compared to the scam of some self-proclaimed "gurus" hawking
"lifestyle advice" courses meanwhile said gurus still live at home at
age 40 wiff their mommy. I wonder if those gurus sneak their mommy's
dirty unmentionables from the laundry hamper to masturbate into?

FO

On Jan 14, 11:43 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

Do you belong to Runningapuagroup on yahoo? How could you "know" that
lair leaders are getting "kickbacks"? Because simply, they are not. At
least I'm sure not, and I wouldn't know anybody else who is.

On Jan 13, 2:57 pm, dman mytrashmail.com> wrote:

Shouldn't you be out riding your BMX bike, or whatever, preferably off
a cliff or something?

On Jan 13, 5:43 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

Got any proof of this?

By proof, I'm of course referring to evidence of that kind of
relationship between a specific club and a specific "guru."

No? Just another "this could be happening, therefore it is happening"
post?

STFU and take your meds, fr00t l00p.

Yes. Someone sued one of the gurus and the exhibits included all kinds of
references to party promotions in clubs and feeding students into VIP rooms,
etc., with the gurus getting paid as promoters as well.

--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy

Ray's new "Project 5000" is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/project-5000

Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work.

Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:57:41 -0800 (PST), dman mytrashmail.com>
wrote:

"Ray Gordon" wrote:

erm, here's the curious thing, Mr Parker...

You're known for spending a lot of time scouring PACER...

yet when asked for "proof" of a legal case,
you didn't state *any* reference that could be used to find confirmation
via PACER...

That's a curious omission, isn't it ?

Care to cite a reference for PACER ?
That way, objective bystanders can see for themselves...

*IF* there ever was such a case, that is...

or is your allegation yet another accusation without evidence ?

On Jan 13, 6:22 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

Here we see why Gordon is 0-20 in court.

He confuses allegations with proof.

Got a cite for this case? You're not exactly the most reliable source
of facts when you summarize.