> On Mar 13, 11:33 pm, "Odious"
cox.net.nospam> wrote:
>
>
> So you just can't stand the pressure of your god failing huh?
Also I'm curious why you seem to think that an example of failure is proof
that one can not ever succeed?
I do not recall anybody ever claiming Ross has a 100%% success rate with
every woman he approaches.
Do you think that when SHAQ misses a basket, that proves he can't score any
points at all?
If Babe Ruth strikes out, does that prove he can't ever hit homeruns?
> So again
> you attack me, care to point out that those statements are lies? Or
> BUSTED.
What statements? You don't seem to be able to determine what statements are
being made by whom.
>>
>> examples of Timmy vastly improved people skills from using the 3d mind?
>
> Funny, they have been addressed but as I have said time and time
> again, you just to fucking stoopid to get it, so you keep making
> dumbass claims like that. Besides dumbass, this is an entirely
> different thread.
You've lied and said you did not use 3d mind on your social skills.... yet I
found a quote from you that shows you stating otherwise.
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"I was a combat veteran many years ago in a little country called Viet Nam
and come down with severe PTSD ( Post Traumatic Stress Disorder ) which I
had for the next 33 years.
I spent time, in the company of shrinks, therapists, NLP practitioners, all
to no avail. Then I came across the 3-D Mind.
I decided to give it a whirl and all it took was 4 minutes. 33 years of PTSD
gone in 4 minutes.
It was as if a 1,000 pounds of weight came off my shoulders, I am much more
happier and much more open and receptive to people. 2005 is going to be a
kick ass year for me."
-- Tim (monsterbaby at
essential-skills.com)
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So clearly these are you new and improved 3d mind cured people skills.....
or 3d mind failed to make a change in your people skills.
You can no longer lie and whine that you did not use 3d mind to change your
social skills.... because as anybody can read, you clearly admited you did
use 3d mind to be more open and receptive to people.
>>
>> Funny Timmy can't address Tom's claims and lies.... so he tries to change
>> the subject to ross.
>>
>> reading links about ss and it's creator, if
>>
>>> you looking into ss as a way to get some dates or better, you may want
>>> to really read these links and see for yourself that ss is nothing
>>> more than hyped up bullshit.
>
> Tee Hee, Tee Hee. Sure you can, free material right, care to point to
> the link moron.
> 3D Mind guaranteed or your money back.
As is speed seduction. "You Must Sleep With At Least 3 Hot Women Within 90
Days Of Using My Home Study Course Or You Pay Nothing.I'll Refund Every
Penny!" - Ross
The difference is you can learn the basics of speed seduction for free....
but you have to buy 3d mind.
> The poor saps
> your marketing too, in order to get laid, they will try anything, yet
> the master and guru of ss failed miserably when the camera's were on,
You seem to think that an example of a failure or even several failures,
somehow proves success is impossible. Rather like arguing the existence of
jet crashes, proves that jets can't fly.
Your whole premise is flawed and pointless.
> why would any one want to give it serious consideration when the ss
> god couldn't even get a phone number.
Simple, because not only can people learn the basics for free and try it
themselves, for free.... but also, if they do buy the corurse, it's
guaranteed.
>>
>> LOL!!!! See the funy thing is that anybody can try out the FREE material
>> for themselves first... see if they like it and see if it works. Nobody
>> is
>> required to buy anything... unlike 3d mind where apparently you have to
>> buy
>> the product to even be allowed to ask questions about it.
>
> Well dip shit, you have yet to prove that moronic claim.
You are the one who, when asked questions about the 3d mind, whines and
refuses to answer because they don't know enough about the product.. Seems
to be pretty clear proof, since you do it in this very thread....
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On Mar 13, 11:33 pm, "Odious"
cox.net.nospam> wrote:
You can't make that claim because you know zero about the 3D Mind.
I've asked you over and over again what is the first step in the 3D
Mind, you have not answered because you don't know, so if you
don't know what the 3D Mind is or is about, you can not make those
claims.
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>>
>> And how is it that SS can be over hyped and not work, when 3d mind is
>> build
>> on the same foundational componants, such as state control, anchoring,
>> tonality, rapport building etc.? Timmy can't answer these simple
>> questions.
>> Timmy claims that Tom's products are the most effective ever developed...
>> products including anchoring, tonality, visualization, rapport building,
>> and
>> state control.... and yet he also claims any other products that also
>> contain these same components are over hyped and do not work.
>>
>
> Those people who were taught all this the nlp way and then the
> essential skills way, know the difference. Why they can actually use
> it in the real world, while the nlp people couldn't get it to work if
> they paid it to work....*L* Get the pun?
See, once again... Timy claims NLP does not work. Despite lying previously
and saying he doesn't say that....
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From: HellBwat
yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: One's man's opinion of 3D Mind
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:36:26 -0800 (PST)
"No one ever said other methods didn't work"
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Yet 3d mind and Tom's product line are built on component found in NLP...
tools like anchoring, visualization, state control, tonality, and rapport
building etc. Why would Tom base his methods and products on stuff that did
not work?
>> Yet when asked what amazing change Tom has made to things like anchoring,
>> tonality, visualization, rapport building, and state control to change
>> them
>> from over hyped and not functional, into the most effective techniques
>> ever
>> developed, he can't answer.
>>
>>> You decide. Now Odorus, explain why these
>>> are lies about your god man ross.
>
> Oh the old evasion tactic,
How is asking you for the specific claim you are demanding I refute,
evasion?
>most the the links say pretty much the same
> exact thing you fucking moron, if you had bothered to read them.
I read them.... which is exactly why I'm asking which one of the dozens of
meandering rants you are talking about.
Why are you unable to be specific?
>>
>> You reference numerous threads with dozens of posts... be specific if you
>> want a specific response..
>>
>>>Were camera's on him and showed him
>>> to be a huge failure, or maybe it was just trick photography? Or maybe
>>> they just missed him scoring when the camera crew stopped for lunch or
>>> a coke or something. I've watching him working, the women just seemed
>>> to look at him like he was retarded or something, zero effect.
>
> Well you fucking moron once again your stupidity is reeking. How about
> the hidden camera's?
I am only aware of 1 "hidden" camera claim... and that was regarding the
piece extra did.... which I address below.
> Just admit, failure, failure, failure dat's what you are.
>>
>> Ever try picking up women with a camera crew in tow?
>
> Well you fucking moron, once again you show your total lack of
> intelligence, if you had even bothered to read the links, it shows
> that he had a camera crew follow him, and a camera crew with a hidden
> camera, now want to explain that, three different camera crews and one
> was hidden, what does that tell you?
It tells me you're uninformed and simply repeating don steele. The extras
shoot wasn't hidden. They had a full size camera about half a block
away... not hidden. And Ross had to stand on the sidewalk in one spot and
try to do cold walk-ups to women walking by.... not only is that extremely
limiting, but he also wasn't able to walk with them, but rather had to stop
them cold and then try to pick them up. I'd like to see anybody able to do
that successfully.
Cold street walk ups are hard, even when you can walk with someone and
mirror and be very non-confrontational and non-threatening. The extra shoot
had ross approaching like a mugger or panhandler... immediately putting
women into a stand offish and defensive state.
> Oh that would tell you because your a suck ass son of a bitch, poor
> guy he just had an off day. Sure he did, yeah that's right. They say
> that the proof is in the pudding, but yours smells more like bullshit
> pudding. 3 of the top ss guys all failing within a four hour period,
> is proof of what, success?
Where were they... and when? I assume it was a coffee shop or book store...
since those can go from hot spots to dead zones in minutes. If you're not
in there at the right time of day... it is like being in a bar a 3 in the
afternoon.
> I know the camera was on Tom a number of times doing the 3D Mind with
> someone and they all proved to be successful. richard bandler tried to
> help a woman on camera and boy did he suck.
Why is it you act as if one example of failure proves something never
works... yet with 3d mind one example of success seems to prove it never
fails?
There are many examples of SS working fantastically well... testimonials,
vids, posts etc.
> Do you know what you stupid fuckers are proving? that ss and nlp sucks
> and it's on camera...no denying this one..hahahahahahaha. Sure Shaq
> misses a shot every now and then but he makes them also, do you have
> proof, ross has any success? Lame ass comparison.
>>
>> Also I'm curious why you seem to think that an example of failure is
>> proof
>> that one can not ever succeed?
>> I do not recall anybody ever claiming Ross has a 100%% success rate with
>> every woman he approaches.
>> Do you think that when SHAQ misses a basket, that proves he can't score
>> any
>> points at all?
>> If Babe Ruth strikes out, does that prove he can't ever hit homeruns?
>>
>>> Then ross says, bandler called me one of his kids, hell that would be
>>> a fact I would keep to myself since bandler is a bigger jerk off than
>>> ross is.
>
> So in face of the facts,
Facts like the fact you demonstrate horrible social skills after claiming to
have improved those skills with 3d mind?
he chooses to attack, great ass kissing
> skills douche bag but ross still can't stand you.
Yawn.... try harder.
>>
>> More of those 3d mind improved people skills.....
>
