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Group: alt.seduction.fast · Group Profile
Author: corkycorky Date: Sep 10, 2008 23:44
My critical review of nfm.
Bye bitch
PLONK
"nfm" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:86e15079-e0d6-48d3-98df-4d6c2a948add@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Is Manhood 101 for real? Let's hear from some REAL lives that have
been affected by Manhood 101.
The Lovers & Haters of M101
Having studied under NM for the past month or so, I'm starting to get
a clearer picture of what is going on here. Essentially, the positive
merits of every "Pickup Artist" method can be based on the
fundamentals stressed by Manhood 101. Most guys at least intuitively
know the fundamental things that attract them to women. As far as what
attracts women to men, the qualities are just as simple, but NM is the
only person I've seen in this field who can map it out in a simple
manner. The only other person who's even close is David DeAngelo.
The problem we face is rooted in the society we live in. Most guys
going about improving their skills with women try to excel in the
current system, and even after making some key discoveries (e.g. You
don't need money, looks, etc.), still find the whole process
overwhelming. Really, how many different terms/concepts has
"Mystery" [the self-proclaimed "world's greatest pickup artist"] come
up with? Could people be so complicated that you need to spend hours a
day studying or rehearsing just to talk to them? The concept that
maybe the entire system that we're trying to excel at is flawed
doesn't even come up, because it goes against what we've been brought
up to think our entire lives. NM understands the fervor and emotion
that you feel for this topic. You need to see women in a new context,
and first, your old views must go away. I'll just be completely honest
and say that in order to truly excel, everything you think about
yourself will have to come crashing down so that you may rebuild it
properly. It happened to me, and caused an emotional meltdown, but I'm
glad I did it. Now I can relearn from a more enlightened perspective.
NM sees this stuff at a deeper level than anybody here, hands down.
The best position you could be in would be to understand it at the
same level. You can do it, but the first step is to realize you have a
problem, and if you didn't, you wouldn't be so involved in this shit
in the first place. Your views will crash around you. Better it
happens here with someone who can help, than with the girl you gamed,
fell in love with, and then turned into a wuss over. She'll stomp your
heart to pieces.
--The Franchise
I posted about your website to my newsgroup. I don't know if the
moderators will accept it, but I thought you might like to see my
comments. I wrote:
I was looking at an interesting website today and one thing that
caught my attention was this article about the author's use of the
word "bitch."
Some time ago, we had a discussion about different ways "bitch" can be
used but I do not recall this usage coming up. The author adopts this
term as a statement against feminism.
I found this website contained insightful analysis of social trends
and relationships although I wonder whether the "in your face" style
may be overly alienating for some. This style, however, seems to be a
deliberate choice by the author to make a point. His assumptions
regarding men's leadership/ women's submission resonates with my
personal experience so I was able to appreciate his perspective.
--Jayne
Hey man,
I am a lurker on the board [MASF] but I was following the flamefest
involving you a little bit.
I like what you say and I agree with it, so it's too bad you keep
getting banned. I've noticed Formhandle gets kinda ban-happy from time
to time and he's usually in a pissed off mood.
It's true men are pussified bitches now and I refuse to be one; but in
doing so I have in essence shot myself in the foot, and been celibate
for almost 3 years after a break up with my fiance.
What you wrote about approaching really struck a chord with me,
because I go out A LOT, but I never approach, mostly because I am so
wrapped up in my own head about what to say, what not to say, ask her
questions, don't ask questions etc etc. I have a fairly large social
circle and everyone thinks I'm a fag because I never get any action,
and I never even really try. My attitude is why the fuck should I try
to bang her -- shouldn't she be the one making an effort if I am the
prize? Why should I tiptoe around her trying to persuade her somehow
into sucking my dick? Maybe I am wrong and thinking backwards , but
who knows. There's a lot of AFC left in me from growing up the
quintessential nice guy, but I am MUCH better than I was.
I just turned 30 and I am completely jaded with male/female dynamics
and I feel like it;'s a waste of time. I still want to have sex, but
something isn't working here, since I never do.
I've thought about taking a workshop the but the notion of spending
$2,000 and a weekend of my life just to be better with fucking women
seems insane. It shouldn't be this hard -- people have been fucking
since the beginning, so what am I doing so horribly wrong?
I'm 5'10" good looking and in good shape - I work out 3-4 times a
week, have a good job (self employed), own a big 4 bedroom house, a
corvette, motorcycle, and a new truck. OK, so I should be pulling tail
you'd think.
There's a ton of truth in your writings, and we seem to have an
extremely similar belief system, so I'd like to ask you: What advice
can you give me to get me started in the right direction?
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Steele
Having just read your response to my post i believe we are on the same
wave length, it is a shame there are so many people on the MASF forum
preaching about ways of changing youself to adapt to a woman when in
reality you don't need to. just be a MAN and do what you want. if she
doesnt like it then goodbye pouty little whiny bitch.
I look forward to reading more of your posts, however i do think you
should tone down the insults regardless of wether people on the board
are pussified or not just so that you can stay an active memeber of
the forum and maybe make the people who are pussified men realize they
are wrong with out insulting them otherwise i do believe you will be
banned and therefore not be able to express your point of view, which
would be a shame....
[...] Lucky for me she is very much invested in me. we have been
together a year and a half, and since i have taken the mentality of i
will do what i want and tell her what i want, things have been great
(last couple of weeks). before this i was an afc and when things
started to go downhill i took the advice of the MASF pickup forum
which just seemed to make things worse. thanks to some of your posts
and the posts of some other REAL MEN on this board i have now realised
the way to go.
--Jamie from the UK
Manhood 101 responds:
many men will be 'offended' by the truth... should i stop speaking
about it just to make them happy?...
look. don't you remember that you got into this position in the first
place because you WERE PUSSIFIED to the extent that you did EVERYTHING
to meet someone else's expectations while sacrificing your own? why do
you think i would follow suit? i teach guys how to AVOID that..
yes i realize that i will be banned from a lot of PUSSIFIED forums
that cater to women.. and yes a lot of guys will miss the help that i
provide.. but i'm not going to dillute the integrity of the message
for the sake of staying on the board, otherwise i'm contradicting the
point of Manhood 101.
if you need to understand why being offended is a necessary step in
the recovery process from PUSSYDOM, just read the "Houdini Rule" in
the 'Missions & Homework' section.. at Manhood 101, we don't pull
punches. there's no fucking mercy in this dojo.
..unless you have like a small little animal.. like a squirrel or a
little tiny furry mouse type pet... in that case, we will show it some
mercy. but then it's right back to kicking your ass with the truth
about social interaction.. you are allowed to call ONE time out to put
ice on your nuts. but as soon as time is up, it's back to the
beatings.
either you're gonna learn how to appreciate your Manhood here... or my
toes are gonna get sore punishing your balls in the process.
i logged into an old email account yesterday. noticed i'd been
receiving endless OCplay-whatever (layer mail or whatever those pick
up things are called). stopped clicking on the group emails long ago
after going to two events where "real pickup artists" would be there.
met mystery, met ... i don't remember his name anymore (one who looks
like the villain on incredibles oh yeah tyler durden)
anyway...after months of things sometimes clicking for me and
sometimes not (reading those msaf forums or whatever) i was pretty
disappointed to meet some of the 'masters" ..most of it seemed like a
con game that had some tricks, but not much more. lykis 101 didn't
seem to have the core either, etc.
randomly clicked on one of the emails and noticed your message about
manhood 101 and took a look. thank you. been reading your postings
when i have the time/desire lately and i can see there's a lot of meat
there.
i love the fact that when you sarge for one man you sarge for all men
or whatever...the cumulative effect ... a movement, like feminism, not
some gay little competition.
having been through a divorce, i can look back and apply a lot of what
you say to my annals of history and learn retroactively or whatever
and being a nurse in the hospital...with SO many old bitches being my
superiors right now (ugh - makes me sick by the end of the day...all
their passive aggressive hating on the male nursing student), i'm glad
i came across your board because i want to reassert my manhood in this
situation (world of nursing) more than i've been doing, which is
acting like a bitch just because i don't know as much as they do in
the ICU.
--Adam
Followup Email:
Man.
The expectations article.
This is gold.
I'm excited. Your free articles are changing my life. Thank you. i let
your articles soak in for 2 hours yesterday and went to some party and
got what i wanted.
About 10 years ago I returned from a Mormon mission in Brazil and
found the girl who was to be my first everything. Married her a year
later (we also left the religion). Marriage was built on a shaky
foundation and we both did a great job of fucking it up. It was the
best and worst of times. It's been a crazy decade full of intense
insanity and few limits. In many ways I'm very strong...in other ways,
I'm extremely weak. I know what I value and who I am more clearly than
ever before and it's getting better all the time. So no children and a
year to go to finish nursing school.
I have some ability to attract girls and have done so here and there
over the past year, but none of these girls have been attractive
enough, either in manner or appearance, to satisfy me enough to get
into a relationship with those who were available to me.
When I am alone, under the best of conditions, I'm able to focus what
I think is a tremendous amount of self-value. In social situations,
however, I am often like a fragile leaf in the wind. I've been working
on carrying this internal value with me for longer periods of time and
in all kind of settings.
I can tell M101 contains a lot of keys to help me in this quest. I met
pua "guru" Mystery once in San Diego and was pretty disappointed to
say the least. Gimmicks and schemes. I remember thinking how his value
seemed so low and finding it hard to believe any woman would want to
stay with him. Also, I *really* wanted to see him game what I thought
was a hot chick that night. He showed us pics of his gf's on his
computer and it was just depressing for me. I'm not making fun of his
choice in women here because I think it's important that men think for
themselves and reach a place where they can say, "I think she's hot
and that's all that matters so fuck off, thank you," but it depressed
me to see his girls. I remember telling him he had kind of an
effeminate quality about him and asked him if that was part of the
game...like some secret...to make women feel comfortable or something
and he got like a twinkle in his eye. In a very SMALL way, it was like
finding out Santa Clause isn't real, as I'd been recovering from an
injury at the time and reading all his shit. We walked around for a
bit after and he tried to talk to some girls and I was just
embarrassed for him. I don't say that from a place of "I was better,"
only that I was disillusioned.
I realized Mystery's education would fail me in my desire to fully
express what's inside me socially. I would watch pua videos or read
things with my buddies and we just couldn't get behind any of it.
That's not to say we were great with women at all...just that we could
recognize those weren't the ultimate answer.
I value my ability to recognize quality and intelligence...and you
don't need to be able to sing to recognize good singing. So I feel
richer for having found this site since there's so much intelligent
shit here. Stuff I would normally only catch a glimpse of and maybe
intuitively understand here and there (without a lot of focus, jumping
from tree to tree instead of seeing the whole forest) has been
powerfully codified here. There's a lot of genuine shit here I can get
behind and aspire to internalize.
I want to eliminate my social anxiety. In public, I worry too much
about what others think and I'm too inconsistent, fluctuating from
brief moments of high value (while maybe not making much of an
expression of it -- and art form I'm interested in learning) and not
caring, to moments of total panic and low-value demonstrations.
One of my strengths is the ability to change my mind (this has also
been a downfall in the past...a flexible mind with no discipline or
application of definite decisions to harness it). I am willing to
throw away old ideas if better ones come along. I am also willing to
open up completely and be embarrassed for the sake of clinical
analysis, so I hope to one day get some field time or just plain face
time with the NinjaMaster.
I'm very interested in being able to chose from quality options for a
relationship, or a hot girl for sex (and not whoring out my value to
get it). I realize I can't simply achieve high internal value and be
passive about it (at least I think that's not going to work). It's the
active expression of my attractive manhood that I intend to seriously
train at.
The best is how this shit applies to all men...that's how I know it's
good shit. It's principle-based.
There aren't a lot of things I can wholeheartedly get behind. Thank
you, Ninjamaster. Sincerely. This is the lens I needed to focus my
shit
--Adam
Your posts struck a light bulb in me. A lot of my old afc behaviors
were caused because I THOUGHT you had to act a certain way around
women. This was caused by TV shows, what girls said, and my mom. When
I used to jump through girls hoops back in the day I always felt like
it was wrong I just didn't really KNOW it was wrong until I found
[your stuff.]
You should be the first to bridge the gap between the two [the pickup
community and manhood.]
--Badboy Hitch
As someone whom has found myself in almost complete agreement with
everything you've posted in other forums, and now on this superb
group, we definitely have to make this information available to more
guys out there. Specifically, those who deserve it most.
After reading your thoughts on feminism, and concurring with your
analysis, I'm thinking back to a LOT of specific points of my life
where I very narrowly escaped a lifetime of pussydom. For example, the
two chicks I've knocked up in the past; thankfully I had the common
sense at the time to run Leykis' routine on them (I don't recall the
term he uses) to convince them to have an abortion "because that would
save the relationship" etc.
Retrospectively, if luck and chance hadn't been on my side (and that's
ALL that saved me on those occasions, and many many others) the
alternative life I could be living now doesn't even bear thinking
about. Just one nasty bitch or liar, and I'd have been completely
screwed. What I'm trying to say is I've been blessed with incredible
fortune where this whole broad issue is concerned.
But what about the guys who are not? What about the guys, whom without
our intervention, will live this utterly faux and alien lifestyle?
Feminist propaganda is EVERYWHERE and it spreads incredibly dangerous,
widely accepted mistruths about a man's life (for example, that having
a kid helps you 'settle down' and is good for you, all that effing
shit.)
Without my extreme luck I'd never have stumbled upon the web forum
that subsequently led to me stumbling [in here], which in itself began
to bring the extent of my own social conditioning into light. It's an
incredible myriad of circumstance and fortune that I can now
reactively dissect media outlets and point out their hypocrisy, as
well as finally being able to understand why certain injustices
happen.
The average joe needs to be made AWARE of this scene, and if he
chooses to reject it then that's up to him. It just bothers me that so
many men will aimlessly wander through life without even realising
just WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!
--Anonymous
I am personally one of the students who pays ninjamaster for his time.
I've seen a lot of improvement so much so people in my family cannot
believe I'm the same person. Ninjamaster did not coax me into writing
this in any way shape or form. I choose to write this because I
remembered the first day I met them. That was the day a huge portion
of the South Cal Lair went out and it was my first time meeting
everyone. I didn't know anybody there, but one thing that was clear:
that night the only people that seemed to be doing well were KDDR and
Ninjamaster. Everyone else had either Approach Anxiety or even when
they didn't have AA they would crash and burn. They took me under
their wing and I can tell I am getting better.
One of my favorite things Ninjamaster has said so far goes right back
to value. I was having a hard time thinking of what to say to the
women we were sarging. Ninjamaster looks over and says, "do you think
the women are having a hard time thinking of what to say to you?"
Although I still need a lot of work, I've improved 100 fold from the
night I met them and back then it was 3x harder talking to girls than
it is for me today.
What I mean by 3x harder is this. I remember going to a club when I
was first starting out. I went there by myself. That day I did open
one set but it was so intense just to open one set with AA that I
wondered how Mystery and all those so called Pickup Gurus can tell
somone like me in such an uncomfortable situation to just "get over
it." Makes it easily understandable why someone would want to quit all
together. This kind of anxiety almost compares to me going on stage in
front 200 people.
--The Rooster
Ninjamaster--
Just wanted to give you some props on the work you've done creating
your site. I think the entire underlying "manhood" philosophy is
elegant in its simplicity, effective in real life, and above all
CORRECT. Were I living on the west coast, I would definitely enroll in
your seminars.
Hope the site's getting the publicity it deserves. Probably tough for
a lot of people to embrace it, since it requires such a radical
conversion of one's thinking plus a lot of work. Definitely worth it
in the long run though.
--DL from Chicago
Hey guys i have been on this site for a while and have read most of
the material. I have known about "the game" for about a year and a
half now and have had no succsess. I tried routines and had some, but
i realized this is stupid. Every guy I know that is good at getting
women doesnt do routines. They dont do magic tricks(though i do love
to do those only because i have done them since i was 5).
I learned in the Marines how to be a man, but really just towards the
public. How to do what you say and be strong. However when it comes to
women i get this your half an asshole, but your also a nice guy thing
and i know it's because im not setting expectations. This is me saying
I will be studying and learning how to be a man that a women wants
through this site. So expect field reports and questions. BTW I have
seen Ninja and KDDR at work in RL they are the real thing. What I saw
them do blew my mind. Listen and learn as i will be doing.
hope to get some help and be of some help,
--Gano
[blah blah blah i hate you blah blah]
You're a good guy Ninjamaster, but [blah blah blah i hate you blah
blah.] It's one thing to have others acknowledge that your articles
are legit and well-written (Which they are), but [blah blah blah i
hate you blah blah blah]
[blah blah blah i'm done hating you blah blah blah]
--Blackbull, A Hater of Manhood 101
I signed up on your website. And I am indeed impressed with your
explanation of what COURTSHIP is. I even introduced myself U'll get a
better picture of me and my stance in relation to the game!
You guys hit the nail on the head for me. how can you possibly succeed
in this field without living the lifestyle of the 'natural/man'. you
can't do it by only pretending to be that person through routines and
shit.
--Chikito
[Malta is addressing some new guy who has no idea what to do with
women:]
...you definitely need to learn to control the frame. She was in
control all along and look where it got you...NOWHERE.
Controlling the frame does not mean you have to be an asshole. FC
consists of 3 simple steps: 1. Disagree, 2. Invalidate, 3. Declare
your expectations. (Credit to NinjaMaster) Can you do this by being an
asshole? Sure. Is being an asshole required? Hell no.
I'm still new to FC, but having seen NinjaMaster use it in the field I
decided to do a little research and decided I want to master FC. I
have seen dramatic results in just the past few weeks while I've been
out practicing. I succeeded in sucking an HB8 from her "Let's Just Be
Friends" Frame and into my "Fuck Buddy" Frame....and then did it again
with another HB7.
My advice to you is to either drop this chick as she already has
control of your interactions, or start aggressively applying FC until
either she accepts and complies to your Frame or she sees that you're
not being congruent and drops you. Either way, you'll be better off.
--Malta
LoneWolf&Cub from "Red Pill Transformations" in SD wrote:
...Chupa [the other head instructor who trained under Ninjamaster
(yes, THAT Ninjamaster from Manhood 101)] has actually said some good
things about you. I personally I never met you, but it
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