It's a totally different arena, one many "seduction gurus" think they can
call "game" by putting the word "game" after it.

There is no "BMW Game" or "Country Club Game" or "good looks game" and so
forth. Assets are not skills.

"Game" is about scoring out of one's league, without having to go to the
longer, self-improvement route.

--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy

Ray's new "Project 5000" is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/project-5000

Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work.

Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187

On Feb 17, 2:58 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

thanks for the explaining the reason why you have never bothered to
improve yourself, rather you seem to prefer declining

Posts like that don't deserve logical responses, but I'll provide one
nonetheless. The previous poster is also acting quite beta by putting down
other men, seen by super-hot women as him not having much to offer in the
positive. HB9s and HB10s don't let one man diss another to them because it
happens all the time, though an :"HB6" (formerly UG6 before the community
got too big) might tolerate it.

"Dman" has no clue about my life, my lifestyle or anything beyond the posts
he reads. He gets many of his facts wrong, as do many out here, and it's
not my job to perpetually invade my own privacy by correcting his lies more
than once.

Ray, I know this won't get through to you, but ...

I know what you are trying to say and, in a limited way, you're
right. However, in your black and white world, you've missed
something.

I'm a pretty good photographer. I'm naturally talented at it, always
have been. That's an asset. I wouldn't be as good a photographer as
I am if I hadn't worked at it and I still work at it. If I had just
remained with talent, almost anyone who put the time and effort into
becoming a good photographer would be better than I am. It's the same
thing with seduction. Good looks and money are positives. There is
no arguement about that, but the truth is they will only get you so
far and in a very limited way. That's the way it is in life. There
are a lot of mearly talented people out there who get no where because
they think that is all it takes. Why do you think that sports stars,
the ones with extreme talent, practice as hard as they do?

On the other hand, self improvement and the transformation that comes
with it makes good looks and money unnecessary and, in combination
with 'assets', are devestating.

Ray, rationalization is not logic.

It must be hard to avoid the reality that your position is simply your
coming to grips with the 'reduced' expectations your life imposes on
you. Thank God, you can do it. And people think mental illness has
no advantages. Anybody else would think 'Maybe I need to change
something.'

Go for it, Ray.

On Feb 17, 4:57 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:

men?!?! no, sorry. It is just you.

"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:rfadnc9FEu5MCSranZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@pghconnect.com...

Is there any "Newsloon lives with mommy Game"?

Say, Gorgon. Does waxing your mom's back every Saturday night really
impress the HBs?

But I have this "ethical" thing going, so I would never perform an
illegal act nor would I ever encourage one. But let's just say I understand
why guys like OJ do what they do.

in article rfadnc9FEu5MCSranZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@pghconnect.com, Ray Gordon,
creator of the "pivot" at ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 2/16/08 8:58 PM:

Who died and left you arbiter of anything?

Grandiosity is a bitch, fr00t l00p.

How long until you crash and threaten suicide again?