====== Alt.Seduction.Fast FAQ And Information 1/2 ======
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Last-modified: 5/15/2007

One of the first FAQs for ASF, dating back to 1994, can be found at
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.seduction.fast/browse_thread/thread/cb
1070b38474952b/1f8ddef64090b6f5#1f8ddef64090b6f5

Please post a comment in the thread for any changes, additions, or
corrections you'd like to see. The actual posting of the FAQ is
currently maintained by Speeding, with input from Now Im Confused
and dracozna.
All input is welcomed and open for discussion. This document has been
created to answer questions about seduction related information and
discussion.
While some products, services, or individuals might be named in this
document, no endorsement or sponsorship is meant or should be
implied.
All information in this document should be assumed to refer to ASF,
unless otherwise specifically stated.
This document contains six parts formatted in two files.

File 1/2
I : Guidelines For Posting
II : History of ASF
III : Where To Start / What To Expect

File 2/2
IV : Common Acronyms
V : Phrases / Concepts
VI : Gurus, Methods, and Related Websites

I : Guidelines For Posting

The goals of this newsgroup are to discuss and improve the ideas and
methods used in social dynamics relating to other people and the
seduction of people, generally women of the opposite sex. Please
make sure that your post is related to the above goals of the
newsgroup.
ASF deals with potentially mature subject matter and is not a place for
discussing the morality of seduction. Morality and lifestyle
judgments are generally not desired or welcomed. Nor are flames or
insults.
Advertisements, at one time, were permitted by permission of Ross
Jefferies only, but now appear to be universally rejected by some
regulars, with one exception. However, there is no enforcement
against advertising.

II : HISTORY OF ASF

#1: What is alt.seduction.fast?
#2: So, what is Alt.Seduction.Fast like today?
#3: Do you have to have any of Ross's products, or other products,
to participate?
#4: Can women participate in ASF?
#5: Are personals allowed in ASF?
#6: Will Ross or other gurus answer questions I ask?
#7: Is advertising allowed in ASF?
#8: Who is this Gordon person? Why not ignore him?
#9: What is this moderated ASF that I've heard about?

This is the original Question #1 from the 1994 FAQ listed above....

1. What is alt.seduction.fast?
A discussion/ongoing exchange about the ideas, techniques and
secrets of Speed Seduction. Speed Seduction is the creation of Ross
Jeffries, and it is an outgrowth/special application of
Neuro-Linguistic Programming.
Ross has developed methods that any man can use to attract the best
looking women, quickly and easily, using NLP language/persuasion
patterns specifically geared for seduction.

2. So, what is Alt.Seduction.Fast like today?
Alt.Seduction.Fast is still an unmoderated Usenet group that, ideally,
discusses methods that any man can use to attract high quality
women. There is no moderated Usenet group for seduction.
It is commonly referred to as ASF and the term "The Community" is
often a reference to a somewhat underground society of men that
aspire to become, or already are, PUAs. The focus of ASF has moved
from Ross Jeffries product to a more open discussion of all
commercial products and also of seduction topics in general.

As of 5/15/2006, based on Google Groups, only two other groups exist
on Usenet specifically for seduction. Alt.Seduction is the root group
and Alt.Seduction.Outfoxing was a group created to discuss a
competing commercial product. ASF is listed as having "High" activity
with 2029 subscribers, Alt.Seduction is listed as having low activity
with 158 subscribers, and Alt.Seduction.Outfoxing is listed as having
low activity with 78 subscribers.
Please note, there is *NO* moderated version of ASF on Usenet. (see
question #9)

The community has existed for quite some time, but the introduction of
the Internet has enabled previously taboo and less than open topics
to come to light. The seduction of men and women is no exception. The
idea that men can use certain scientifically documented and
reproducible processes to help garner a higher than average success
rate was first garnered in books such as "The Lay Guide",
"Foxhunting", and "Double Your Dating".
ASF was created to market, discuss, and improve a product called
Speed Seduction, which relies heavily on a new concept of Neuro-
Linguistic Programming. Ross and other seduction "gurus" became
guests on radio and TV talk shows about the controversial idea that
women could be "gamed".

With the introduction in 2005 of a book called "The Game", the idea of
seduction, which had been slowly gathering steam into mainstream,
made a breakthrough into true mainstream exposure. Neil Struass,
the author, has been a guest on many TV and radio shows. Since
then, there have been numerous magazine articles and even a TV
show regarding seduction. The business of seduction training went
from being mostly an underground movement into a multi-million
dollar industry. Yet, the secrecy and closed-mindedness of the
seduction community is often still evident.

#3: Do you have to have any of Ross's products, or other products, to
participate?
No, but it helps to have at least some knowledge of the community.
Anyone with an open mind willing to share pickup/seduction secrets
may participate. There are numerous websites and products now
available with information.

#4: Can women participate in ASF?
Of course, provided they stay open-minded and are willing to discuss,
not flame. Seduction techniques can also be used by women to
seduce whomever they desire. Their input is also welcomed as an
alternative point of view. Though, there is a commonly held view that
many women would disagree as to the effectiveness of seduction
material. Even while being seduced by it. Women are very welcome
here.

#5: Are personals allowed in ASF?
No. Please post personals in the appropriate alt.personals groups. If
you are looking for a wingmate, you can certainly ask here, but your
odds of getting a successful reply are low. There are many websites
you can look to for finding a wingmate. Three of the best sites for
such endeavors might be
http://www.venusianarts.com
http://www.themysterymethod.com
P.A.I.R., located at http://www.fastseduction.com/pair.shtml.
===> Please note. a membership is required to view P.A.I.R.

#6: Will Ross or other "gurus" answer questions I ask?
It's rare here, but it happens from time to time. There are plenty of
helpful... and not so helpful... posters willing to offer advice and
assistance. The true masters of seduction that kicked off the
community have largely moved on to more profitable ventures. So,
you might get answers, but free answers from a "guru" will be rare.
And, keep in mind the shopper's law... caveat emptor.

#7: Is advertising allowed in ASF?
No. But since it is not a moderated group, there's no real enforcement
for this. Originally, the FAQ stated that ads could be submitted to
Ross Jeffries and he would decide how to assist in marketing. Ross
has moved on. You will find that most ads are very much
unwelcomed. If you are here to sell something, you should already
realize that Usenet is a poor marketing choice. If you are here to
read... then you should again refer to caveat emptor.

#8: Who is this person? Why not ignore him?
This should perhaps be the new #1 question. Nearly every newcomer
asks it. The reply is nearly always the same. The truth is likely in
the middle. Yes, there is a person that regularly posts to ASF that
reportedly has made a HUGE number of extremely obnoxious posts.
If you really wish to know about these posts, just ask, and there
will be plenty of replies about the posting history of this person.

Ignoring him might, in fact, work. The common reply to this question is
that it does not. However, only one time in ASF history has there
been an actual concerted effort to ignore a poster. On 9/11/2006,
there was a request made to ignore a poster and only two posters
replied to that person on 9/11/2006. Whether it had an effect or not
is perhaps conjecture, though the poster's activity dropped on that
day by well over 50%%.

Perhaps the best answer for the question of ignoring a poster would be
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Do so if you desire, but do not bother asking for others to do so also.

#9: Where is the moderated version of ASF?
There is no moderated version of ASF. There are two web forums that
are using the name ASF in their title. Neither site was created to be
a moderated version of ASF. However, both sites contain archived
postings of the Usenet ASF. There is no record in the ASF archives of
any serious attempt to create a moderated ASF on Usenet.

http://www.altseductionfast.com/forum/ ==> A web forum that, aside
from ads from the hosting service, is otherwise commercial free.

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/ ==> Also referred to as
mASF. A commercial web portal with various ads that are discretely
placed on the top and sides.

III : Where To Start / What To Expect

The best place to start would be to read ASF postings. Read the FAQ
and get acquainted with the acronyms, phrases, terminology, and
philosophies of the community. Visiting the websites listed in Part 2
of this document would also be a good investment of time.
The newbie mission is commonly the first suggested kickoff. Quite
simply, your goal is to go out for four weeks, four days each week,
four hours each day, and talk to four women per hour... without any
concerns to picking the women up or even what they look like. The
goal is to simply get better at approaching and talking with women.
Often, this is followed with the eye contact mission, in which you go
out and practice making and keeping eye contact with women (and even
men) to see how important eye contact is and to develop a feel for
how to use EC to generate positive results.

Another helpful idea would be to start an analysis of what you want to
gain and what you expect or hope to achieve. An obvious first thought
is "I want to get laid." or "I want a woman". But be more specific
for yourself. Ask yourself what you are willing to do to achieve
your goals. Ask yourself what you expect once you do. Ask what you
plan to do once you achieve this goal. Ask what you plan to do if you
fail to achieve your goal. Ask what your motivation for the goal
is. It is -you- that needs to determine what you expect from ASF and
from improving your seduction abilities. -You- that needs to
determine what your level of success is. You also need to decide how
much you are willing to work to achieve your goals. In time. In
energy. In money. You need to decide what aspects of yourself need to
be improved.

But, what you should expect is that nothing will answer all your
questions.
ASF is a guide to a better way of life. It's a guide to improving your
life.

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