> Formhandle fastseduction.com> writes:
>

>> speeding wrote:
>>

>>> Formhandle fastseduction.com> wrote in
>>> news:c7qdnYYRaKuZ5zjYnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@giganews.com:

>>>> The most common aspect of a FAQ is "Frequently". How is this a
>>>> FAQ if none of the questions you list come up frequently? Some of
>>>> them have barely, if ever, come up at all except from you.

>>> The first seven questions are all from the original FAQ.

>>
>> Which was in sore need of updating. Which is what happened.
>>
>> There's also no "official" here. With the help of a few others, I
>> put together a more constructive FAQ. You're just re-posting what
>> became out-dated and added a couple crap questions.
>>

>>> Not quite, but almost word for word. So yeah, they aren't asked
>>> that often any more. But since they were in the original, I put
>>> them in the update of the original. The last three questions are
>>> easily the most commonly asked questions on ASF. The question about
>>> Ray is still an ongoing subject in several threads.

>>
>> Because people get drawn into that crap. Dredging up crap only
>> causes the crap to continue.
>>
>> Most people can figure out things pretty quick on their own,
>> especially in regards to that topic. A FAQ is meant to save newbies
>> some time with the most frequently asked questions. A FAQ is not
>> meant to be a political mouthpiece.
>>

>>>> Also, by repeating a FAQ instead of a pointer to one, you're just
>>>> flooding the group with copies of something that you're going to
>>>> change constantly. Some up with something solid or wait until you
>>>> do before sharing. I mean, it can't be that hard, it's just a
>>>> single document.

>>> How does someone post a pointer to a Usenet post? You are talking
>>> about a pointer to a commerical web portal. IE: Spam.

>>
>> So post it somewhere else. You can create a blog for free. As can
>> be witnessed by recent events, even an idiot can do it.
>>

>>> It's not possible to "point" to a Usenet post because Usenet posts
>>> do not HAVE pointers. They have headers. And I've never heard of a
>>> news reader yet that can pull a header in a manner like a URL does
>>> for a website. At best, you could point to a Google archive or some
>>> other... WEBSITE. But if you can explain to me how I can search a
>>> news group directly... please let me know. Grepping on a server is
>>> about all I can imagine for trying that.

>>
>> You know, your argument may have been plausible prior to 1993. But
>> you are basically saying you are refusing to use a certain technology
>> (the web) which supports access consistency just so you can continue
>> to be limited by USENEt protocol for the purpose of purity.
>>
>> If I thought the way you did, FS& mASF would not exist and the same
>> 200-300 vocal people would be arguing on ASF (sprinkled with a few
>> actual PUAs), there would be Ross & a few other pickup/seduction
>> resources out there, Neil's book would have never been written,
>> Mystery's idea for a infield workshop biz would have taken forever to
>> launch, DYD would have not had an initial burst of market
>> penetration, and basically the entire landscape of pickup resources
>> and options and businesses out there would be 10%% of what they are
>> now.
>>
>> This whole niche would have floundered and disappeared almost into
>> oblivion. It was great way back, of course even a little is very
>> useful, but that's where it was heading. Obscurity and eventually
>> oblivion.
>>

>>> As for changing the FAQ, I doubt it'll change much more.

>>
>> Then what's the point? This was already done. You're not even
>> re-inventing the wheel. Your rolling out a rough chiseled round
>> stone for all of us to look.
>>

>>> This is only the third week it's been posted. Give other ASF
>>> readers a chance to read the thing. I understand you'd much rather
>>> direct them to a commerical web portal. I'd rather they stay on
>>> Usenet.

>>
>> I don't care where people go. I'm just providing an option for them
>> if they don't want to be here. As far as the FAQ on my site, I don't
>> think anyone gives a fuck except you or the dude who's the basis of
>> one of your FAQ questions. It's not like I'm pitching a product when
>> sharing the link or charging access or doing anything other than
>> pointing it to somewhere that has a consistency of availability for
>> the long term.
>>
>> There's even a PLAIN TEXT version of the same exact same FAQ. If you
>> have no problems with the FAQ, and only that it's visible on a web
>> page that generates revenue indirectly, then point to the plain text
>> version. It's not as nicely formatted, but I went out of my way to
>> make it dynamic so that when the HTML version is updated, the plain
>> text version automatically updates itself. I did this because I
>> could predict you 6 years ago LOL.
>>

>>> Or did you forget one of the concerns raised about creating the web
>>> forum in the first place... the concern about people not finding
>>> out about the web forum... Gee... daily advertising?

>>
>> There's a separate weekly post for that. One post is for the FAQ,
>> another is for mASF. Daily? Since when do the automated posts show
>> up here daily? They're once per week. They also make use of
>> consistent formatting so if anyone wants to filter them out, they can
>> easily.
>>
>> I'm still wondering about you're rolling out the chiseled wheel.
>> What's the point? You really still didn't answer that. At least
>> make it constructive and useful. Or are you just doing it for
>> political agenda?
>>
>>

>>> ====
>>> Thurs, Aug 9 2001 6:38 am
>>>
>>> 2. We'll probably have a lot less newbies who find out about it.
>>> I would consider this to be a loss. (I stumbled across this NG
>>> purely by accident as I'm sure many other now-regulars have). I'd
>>> hope we could actively promote the new location maybe with a daily
>>> post back here in the original usenet group. (it could be
>>> scattered in amongst all the Ray posts). regards, Scorpo rAFC ====
>>>

>>>> Another thing is, how many people are contributing to your version
>>>> of the FAQ? If it's just you, it's not representative of the
>>>> group, it's
>>>> just your opinions.

>>> Well, since it's about a fourth from the original FAQ... that's not
>>> my opinion. It might be someone else's. Another fourth comes from
>>> commonly defined terms. I found them defined on a web site portal,
>>> among other places I frequent. The majority, though, was a
>>> contribution from Now Im Confused. The only part that is from me is
>>> the part about a web portal that is calling itself the alternative
>>> to ASF. Even though there's another website that's also called
>>> www.altseductionfast.com.
>>>

>>>> You may want to rant about my using FS to share a FAQ but the fact
>>>> remains that I and others took the time to ensure it covered many
>>>> actual often-asked beginner questions, and answered them
>>>> thoroughly. Many contributors are also cited and I don't flood the
>>>> place with
>>>> duplicate copies, I only automate the publishing of a pointer to
>>>> it so if it changes nobody will get confused between multiple
>>>> varying copies on USENet.

>>> You aren't "sharing" it. You aren't posting an FAQ about ASF.
>>> You're posting spam about a web portal. It directs traffic to a web
>>> portal. Call it what it is. If it was an ASF FAQ then it would
>>> contain questions and answers. But it doesn't. It contains a
>>> link. And yes, you and a few others whined and bitched and
>>> yes... did a great deal to help, way back in 2001, about how to
>>> answer and avoid having to repeat answering newbie questions. Did
>>> you forget that was the reason for wanting to create mASF in the
>>> first place? Let me remind you what one person said... ========
>>> Fri, Aug 10 2001 12:40 am To chime in as the devil's
>>> advocate....creating a moderated newsgroup, while not a bad
>>> idea...has inherent problems associated with it. I believe I was
>>> one of the first posters to bitch someone out and tell them to
>>> start a fuckin moderated newsgroup and stop the fucking whining
>>> about newbie posts. A few downsides, some already pointed out are
>>> 1. moderator persoality/personal bias 2. time consuming 3. I read
>>> over and over there is a huge archive of info. available...if all
>>> the answers are already there....why is there a need for a new
>>> group, let alone a moderated one? 4. missed opportunities to
>>> further develop tolerance, patience, etc. with dealing with AFC's
>>> and 'cockblocks' (i.e. group efficiency blocks/info. blocks) 5.
>>> missed opportunites for RAFC's to CHALLENGE THEMSELVES to take
>>> LEADERSHIP and develop those skills 6. hiding from reality/dealing
>>> with change and adapting and overcoming obsticales.... just food
>>> for thought. psychobabble ========
>>> As for the bullshit about flooding multiple copies... are you
>>> forgetting that you have not one, but TWO automatically posted
>>> floods that point to the exact same resource?
>>>

>>>> You bugged the hell out of all of us with your probes recently, so
>>>> now I ask you basically the same thing. What's your point?

>>> The point is that until I took the initiative a few weeks ago, ASF
>>> hasn't had an FAQ that is *FOR* ASF. It's got two spam broadcasts
>>> that point to a web portal where someone can go off Usenet to read
>>> a forum's FAQ. But it doesn't have an FAQ that is ON ASF itself.
>>> So, I took Psychobabble's advice and I found the original FAQ that
>>> was posted to ASF when it first started. And I updated it a bit,
>>> with a lot of input from Now Im Confused. But, it's still an FAQ
>>> that is ON ASF and about ASF... not a spam link to a web portal
>>> that's not on Usenet and lest you forget... basically states... My
>>> FAQ is not an official FAQ for ASF any more than any other FAQ
>>> someone might compile. It's merely a collection of opinions.
>>> Suggestions and contributions are welcome, although the authors
>>> reserve the right of final decision as to what ends up in it. This
>>> FAQ is, however, official for the forums available through Fast
>>> Seduction. The policies laid out in this document are expected to
>>> be followed strictly when posting to the moderated ASF forums.
>>> Gee... that might look vaguely familiar to you....
>>> So, what's YOUR beef? After all... you aren't claiming to have an
>>> offical FAQ either. At least the FAQ I'm posting was the original
>>> FAQ from way back when. Your is not much more than a pointer to a
>>> web forum FAQ. If you got a beef with an actual ASF FAQ, bring
>>> it. What would you like to see in it? What would you like to see
>>> different? What questions do you think should be there?
>>> Or is your objection merely that it isn't directing traffic
>>> strongly enough, as was feared by another poster back in 2001?
>>>

>>
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>
> After thinking this over and reading Jay's post. And looking at it
> objectively and for substance. I have to say that speeding, you should
> forget about the FAQ, don't post it, Jay's FAQ is very good and it is
> free. Google has ads, but i am SURE you still use that. So just
> because he is trying to make a buck or two or whatever should not take
> away from the fact that the info is good.

> I still stand behind my dislike of his forum for many reasons, bad
> interface, stupid PUA ratings, not free as-in-freedom, people can take
> down/edit posts, etc. But then again i don't post and i rarely, rarely
> read there, but the FAQ and player's guide, PAIR, Slang, etc. I do
> however send people to his site for the /youarenew and /asf-faq.shtml,
> as they have good data.

> We need as little drama to this group as possible, and to just have
> people get the questions they have answered. Down with the trolls, and
> KJs, just ask questions get good with women, and see the sun shine. If
> you are really good on a subject answer just that question, not
> everything that someone new could ask. In the end it doesn't matter
> that much anyways, because you only really learn in field.