Seems gordo's employment fraud via false offers of employment and business
deals is nothing new....

How the fuck can this guy think he's going to ever be able to win a lawsuit
against anybody?

He was doing the EXACT same shit back in 1998 in another group.

This thread has some gems....

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hypnosis/browse_thread/thread/98f7b6b9e74e189e/e9c6dcc6ada3aa58...#e9c6dcc6ada3aa58

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From: sotwareg@mindspring.com (Ray Gordon)
Date: 1998/01/19
Subject: Seeking to train the world's most powerful female hypnotist
From: pxychic@aol.com (Pxychic)
Subject: Re: Seeking to train the world's most powerful female hypnotist
Date: 1998/01/20
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In his self-imposing style, Dirge Writes:

Ray, how can any woman trust you in a contract, when it's pretty clear to
everyone you broke the trust of a contract to re-pay J Lily 10?

<-----1. That money was a GIFT, not a loan. After the fact, when Lily got
mad
at me, she falsely accused me of extorting her (like I'd give a bank account
number if I were doing that), and then used others to harass me to collect.

<----2. I DO NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS TO SEND THE MONEY TO. How many times do I
have to say that?

You're a bad business risk, Ray. You break business contracts, and then
weasle
your way out of them. Anyone expecting to do business with you had better
start off by getting it in writing, notarized, and then be prepared to SUE
you
for non-fulfillment, from your history, which we all know.

<----No, "we" don't all know. YOU say, doesn't mean it's true. Tabitha
broke
her agreement with me, as did Heather and the other two. THEY are the ones
who
did this. Of course, you are programmed to blindly defend women so these
words
won't even register in your brain. And there is no way to violate an
agreement
when I'm doing all the teaching up front, now is there? So please, stop
making
a fool out of yourself.

This is just reporting. I have every personal reason to belive these are
facts. Pay your debts, and everyone will cheer you!

<------First off, that money was a GIFT. Even then, I have offered to repay
the Indian Gift, but I do not have an address to send the money! Surely an
educated person such as yourself can understand this. And where is the
promissory note? There is none, now is there? I told her when she gave me
that $200 that I didn't know when or if I could repay it, and she
specifically
said "I don't want it back." that's not material other than one can not
welch
on a gift.

... don't pay, and people will learn of your welching by word-of-mouth.
... and word-of-internet ...

<-----Harass me on Lily's behalf anymore to collect that "debt" and you
might
get an education in consumer debtor protection laws.

Most importantly, you cannot fulfill your promise, because you have
no knowledge and no training in hypnosis to share.

<----CRouss4579 has no training either. I am as educated as he. Also, my
original post was not directed at you. And how do you explain Heather? You
can't. I trained Heather from scratch and three months later she was able
to
earn a good sum of money with the skill. So I have tangible proof to back
up
my assertions.

Your "theories" of hypnosis have been 100%% denounced by all experts and
practitioners in the field.

<----Actually not. Check out the book "Hypnosis: Questions and Answers" for
the discussion of "Can Hypnotized Patients Be Made To Do Anything?" Experts
are highly divided on this issue. Also remember that those who control
others
with hypnosis have no reason to advertise or publish, especially when
telling
someone that control is *not* possible is one of the key elements of
obtaining
it. Why are you so insistent that it's not possible and react so
passionately
to any claim that it is? You doeth protest too much.

You cannot deliver what you offer, because you are not certified or licensed
in
hypnosis, and you have proven to the satisfaction of all that you have no
intuition or special insight to offer, and indeed, that much of what you
"think" you know is wrong.

<-----------As you know, hypnotists are not required to be licensed, are
they?
I also am not presenting myself as a therapist or anything else. I am
teaching
a performance art form. Constitutionally protected.

Any man or woman desiring to learn hypnosis would be advised to either
Learn from a Certification program, hosted by a *real* hypnotist, or
Skip Ray Gordon, and learn *real hypnosis* from books.

<------------Do they pay you a referral fee? EFH's seek me out because the
progams deny that what I teach is possible.

I suggest _The Hypnotism Handbook_ by Dr. Cooke & AE VanVogt,
as well as _Hypnosis for Friends and Lovers_ by Dr. Frieda Morris.

<-------Again, who died and left YOU boss?

I suggest anyone wanting to learn hypnosis avoid wasting time or
money on a Highschool dropout with neurotic control fantasies about
hypnosis and a strange idea about how contracts are made and
fulfilled, like Ray Gordon. Sad is the sucker who falls for such bad
business.

<-------High school dropout? You now are making up lies about me. Then
again,
that will only add to my already strong body of evidence of your campaign of
harassment against me. When I have some time to file a simple restraining
order that should shut your mouth up for good.

... just my humble opinion.