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Author: Seeker1Seeker1 Date: Nov 6, 2007 22:32
Do you *really* believe that so-called "seduction gurus"
are the only men who can afford to go to clubs ?
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Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivotRay Gordon, creator of the pivot Date: Nov 7, 2007 00:28
> Do you *really* believe that so-called "seduction gurus"
> are the only men who can afford to go to clubs ?
I think any man who goes to clubs to pick up women is an AFC who is giving
money indirectly to women.
My rule on money and women is that it's okay to use money if she's a 9 or
higher AND you are old/short/whatever. I never had to use it in my youth,
but at some point, a guy will reach the age where it's useful, usually from
age 30-50, depending on the guy. For me it was around age 38, though I
didn't have much cash to use.
I think most men use money very inefficiently and could do a lot better with
whatever they spend in clubs, plus the time they spend, whether or not they
are "gurus."
--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy
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Author: Seeker1Seeker1 Date: Nov 7, 2007 01:08
"Ray Gordon" answered a different question to the one asked...
>> Do you *really* believe that so-called "seduction gurus"
>> are the only men who can afford to go to clubs ?
>
wasn't asked >
erm... no, let's try that again
In a previous posting in an earlier thread, someone claimed to have
spent time pursuing women in a club.
You then claimed that because of the financial costs involved:
> A guru can do this, but few others can.
My question is simply:
Is that what you really believe ?
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Author: Ray Gordon, creator of the pivotRay Gordon, creator of the pivot Date: Nov 7, 2007 01:24
> You then claimed that because of the financial costs involved:
>> A guru can do this, but few others can.
>
>
> My question is simply:
> Is that what you really believe ?
Four nights a week, in 40 different cities a year, spaced out across the
globs (which is why they are sharp and connected with club types), of course
the gurus are one of the few who can do that.
Not that their students give a shit, but Psychic Friends also made millions
too.
It's more like PUA fantasy camp where they play PUA for a weekend and are
treated like pros even if they're not.
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Author: Seeker1Seeker1 Date: Nov 7, 2007 02:23
"Ray Gordon" , creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>> You then claimed that because of the financial costs involved:
>>> A guru can do this, but few others can.
>>
>>
>> My question is simply:
>> Is that what you really believe ?
>
> Four nights a week, in 40 different cities a year, spaced out across the
> globs (which is why they are sharp and connected with club types), of course
> the gurus are one of the few who can do that.
now hold on a moment...
who said *anything* about:
"40 different cities a year, spaced out across the globe" ?
( I assume you meant "globe" and not "globs" )
So you *are* seriously claiming that *NO* -
( what phrase shall we use here ? ) -
*NO* "ordinary men" / "working-class men"
go to clubs, as they cannot afford to.
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Author: corkycorky Date: Nov 7, 2007 10:20
"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:5KKdnR63h9766qzanZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@pghconnect.com...>> Do you *really* believe that so-called "seduction gurus"
>> are the only men who can afford to go to clubs ?
>
> I think any man who goes to clubs to pick up women is an AFC who is giving
> money indirectly to women.
I think that clubs are a difficult place to do pickup and that money is not
that helpful. Lots of AFCs blow their checks in the vain hope that a hottie
will be impressed(or grateful LMAO). Clubs take a pretty tough game and a
good angle. Many girls have the shields at 100%% and can be very caustic.
I also doubt that Mystery pays for all his club visits.
> My rule on money and women is that it's okay to use money if she's a 9 or
> higher AND you are old/short/whatever. I never had to use it in my youth,
> but at some point, a guy will reach the age...
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Date: Nov 7, 2007 19:53
"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:g56dnVwDlOH5qK_anZ2dnUVZ_tajnZ2d@pghconnect.com...>>> Four nights a week, in 40 different cities a year, spaced out across the
>>> globs (which is why they are sharp and connected with club types), of
>>> course the gurus are one of the few who can do that.
>>
>>
>> now hold on a moment...
>> who said *anything* about:
>> "40 different cities a year, spaced out across the globe" ?
>
> That's what the typical workshop guru does.
>
> They also have the status and money, which helps in clubs.
>
> Men who can afford clubs are using money to fund women going to clubs,
> since men pay more covers, buy more drinks, etc.
>
> You're automatically weeding out men who don't have money, because they
> don't have money. How is money not a factor if that is being done? ...
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Author: Seeker1Seeker1 Date: Nov 7, 2007 22:15
"Ray Gordon" wrote:
>>> Four nights a week, in 40 different cities a year, spaced out across the
>>> globs (which is why they are sharp and connected with club types), of
>>> course the gurus are one of the few who can do that.
>>
>> now hold on a moment...
>> who said *anything* about:
>> "40 different cities a year, spaced out across the globe" ?
>
> That's what the typical workshop guru does.
now hold on a moment...
who said anything about "typical workshop guru" ?
> They also have the status and money, which helps in clubs.
>
> Men who can afford clubs are using money to fund women going to clubs,
> since men pay more covers, buy more drinks, etc.
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Author: dmandman Date: Nov 7, 2007 22:31
On Nov 7, 9:28 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
cybersheet.com> wrote:>> Do you *really* believe that so-called "seduction gurus"
>> are the only men who can afford to go to clubs ?
>
> I think any man who goes to clubs to pick up women is an AFC who is giving
> money indirectly to women.
>
> My rule on money and women is that it's okay to use money if she's a 9 or
> higher AND you are old/short/whatever. I never had to use it in my youth,
> but at some point, a guy will reach the age where it's useful, usually from
> age 30-50, depending on the guy. For me it was around age 38, though I
> didn't have much cash to use.
>
> I think most men use money very inefficiently and could do a lot better with
> whatever they spend in clubs, plus the time they spend, whether or not...
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Author: corkycorky Date: Nov 7, 2007 22:45
> On Nov 7, 9:28 pm, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
> cybersheet.com> wrote:>>> Do you *really* believe that so-called "seduction gurus"
>>> are the only men who can afford to go to clubs ?
>>
>> I think any man who goes to clubs to pick up women is an AFC who is
>> giving
>> money indirectly to women.
>>
>> My rule on money and women is that it's okay to use money if she's a 9 or
>> higher AND you are old/short/whatever. I never had to use it in my
>> youth,
>> but at some point, a guy will reach the age where it's useful, usually
>> from
>> age 30-50, depending on the guy. For me it was around age 38, though I
>> didn't have much cash to use.
>>
>> I think most men use money very inefficiently and could do a lot better ...
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