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Author: JimJim Date: Dec 17, 2007 20:03
On Dec 17, 2:49�pm, JoeRaisin charter.net> wrote:>> Which means, that the person who is being interrogated can anticipate
>> it being repeated if they don't tell the truth. Which says, that if
>> they've got any sense at all, they'll tell the truth the first time
>> around.
>
>> Sounds pretty humane to me.
>
> My point was about the person who does not have the information the
> interrogator is looking for. �At what point do you decide that the
> person just doesn't know.-
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Author: JoeRaisinJoeRaisin Date: Dec 18, 2007 04:26
Jim wrote:
> On Dec 17, 2:49�pm, JoeRaisin charter.net> wrote:>>> Which means, that the person who is being interrogated can anticipate
>>> it being repeated if they don't tell the truth. Which says, that if
>>> they've got any sense at all, they'll tell the truth the first time
>>> around.
>>> Sounds pretty humane to me.
>> My point was about the person who does not have the information the
>> interrogator is looking for. �At what point do you decide that the
>> person just doesn't know.-
>
> It really doesn't matter ..... does it?
> I mean, if the guy was a good guy to begin with, he wouldn't be in the
> position that he's in. He may or may not know specifically what the
> interrogators are looking for but he's going to spill whatever it is
> he does know and if he doesn't know what they want to know, it won't
> damage him permanently ........ as compared to the beating him or or
> putting burning matches under his fingernails or electrodes attached
> to his scrotum.
> It ......STILL sounds pretty ok with me. ...
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Author: Frank OlsonFrank Olson Date: Dec 18, 2007 08:12
JoeRaisin wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 2:49�pm, JoeRaisin charter.net> wrote:>>>> Which means, that the person who is being interrogated can anticipate
>>>> it being repeated if they don't tell the truth. Which says, that if
>>>> they've got any sense at all, they'll tell the truth the first time
>>>> around.
>>>> Sounds pretty humane to me.
>>> My point was about the person who does not have the information the
>>> interrogator is looking for. �At what point do you decide that the
>>> person just doesn't know.-
>>
>> It really doesn't matter ..... does it?
>> I mean, if the guy was a good guy to begin with, he wouldn't be in the
>> position that he's in.
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Author: Nathan W. CollierNathan W. Collier Date: Dec 18, 2007 08:18
> Hey .... this is war ...... remember!
> Remember 9/11?
> I don't remember any Islamist protesting that killing 3000 innocent
> people might just be a little .....errrr too much.
> Remember the people they televised as their heads where removed?
while i may not agree with your delivery often times (due to the personal
nature), your thinking is identical to mine on most of these issues and i
certainly respect your input. good job sir.
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Author: Robert L BassRobert L Bass Date: Dec 18, 2007 15:19
> I'm not saying we should coddle these jerks.
Definitely not. Jiminex has to be stopped! :^)
> For the record I think we are doing the right thing in Iraq...
For the record, you're wrong.
> - surge should have started sooner but I think we need to stay
> until the Iraq Government is stable...
You do realize that will be around 3-1/2 years after the Second
Coming, don't you?
> - even then we should put a base in the area.
Oh, yeah. That'll calm them down. After all, it worked so well in
Lebanon.
> We don't use such treatment in law enforcement because, like lie
> detectors, the information is not reliable.
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Author: Just LookingJust Looking Date: Dec 18, 2007 18:19
> During the French Revolution, the Committee for Public Safety >thought
very much like you do...
Not only have you been drinking Bass' Kool Aid, now you're going to get Pete
to tell us how misunderstood Maximilien Robespierre was as well as all the
other goofy Frenchmen.. Beside Robespierre was master of the Terror, not the
torture. Similar but not the same.
>All "brown people" aren't Muslims.
Around here they are mostly Catholic and Mexican-American or Mexican
tourists, or Mexicans otherwise looking for work. Corra le! Immigraci
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Author: Frank OlsonFrank Olson Date: Dec 18, 2007 18:23
Edmund Fitzgerald wrote:
> [....]
>> How do you "stop" someone from doing this? How do you stop someone like
>> "Robert Pickton", "Bill Gacy", "Charles Manson"? Timothy McVeigh?
>
>
> Here's how you "stop" them. First you apprehend them. Then you give them a
> fair trial. Then you give them due process under law. Then you execute
> them.
Fair comment. You've apprehended a number of them. I don't see
anything happening "trial wise" (fair or unfair), and the "due process"
certainly isn't "proceeding".
>
> That brings them to a dead stop.
Check.
>
> I've never heard of Pickton. And I didn't bother to Google him.
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Author: Just LookingJust Looking Date: Dec 18, 2007 18:32
>It's not our "fruited plain".
Which is it, San Francisco or Palm Springs?
>You have only to read the history of Israel -- the Chosen
> people -- to see how foolish that belief is.
Put down that ham sandwich! You never did listen to the Rabbi now did you?
And just what do you think happens on Friday at Sundown?
"Robert L Bass" verizon.net> wrote in message
news:0AY9j.36569$D44.22624@trnddc04...>> I'm not saying we should coddle these jerks.
>
> Definitely not. Jiminex has to be stopped! :^)
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Author: allucan8allucan8 Date: Dec 18, 2007 19:29
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>> McVeigh [1990's] was pissed off at the ATF and
>> Janet Reno for what they did to Koresh.. As the liberals would say, he
>> expressed his anger inappropriately. Got the chair for it too.
Frank said
> Actually he was executed by lethal injection. Gacy got "the chair".
Which one is deader? :-)
Frank continues:
> I remember the US Government complaining about the treatment of the
> American soldiers taken prisoner by the Viet Cong. The Viet Cong
> considered them "unlawful combatants" too and as such didn't accord them
> the rights as prisoners under the Geneva Convention. It's interesting
> how what goes around comes around, isn't it?? I think the US should be
> setting an example for humane and just treatment of prisoners of war and
> "non-combatants". Instead, we have people held incognito, without
> charge, and without representation. And they're probably being tortured
> to boot. That just plain *sucks*.
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Author: Just LookingJust Looking Date: Dec 18, 2007 20:32
>McVeigh [1990's] was pissed off at the ATF and Janet Reno for what they
did to Koresh
They didn't need to snuff McVeigh. Maybe give him a little psychological
torture first. Make him do Reno every day for a whole year. After that he'd
simply be too insane to execute and beyond any hope of rehabilitation. He'd
gladly become an organ donor.
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>>> McVeigh [1990's] was pissed off at the ATF and
>>> Janet Reno for what they...
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