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Author: StephenStephen Date: Nov 28, 2006 04:35
Band C (10950 to 11200 MHz) is empty at Sky's 28.2 orbital position, and
although it could provide
dozens of HDTV channels, none of Sky's present 4 satellites can use it.
Astra 2C could "move in" but it has a Europe wide beam and surely the BBC
and ITV, 4 and 5 would much prefer another "spot-beam" like Astra 2D for
future expansion of Free to Air services like ITV HD.
Will they move Astra 2C regardless, thereby effectively blocking any further
expansion of free to air services from BBC, ITV, 4 and 5, or is there a
possibility of another UK spot beam and a small new satellite,
"Astra 2E" perhaps?
Also, if Astra 2C did move to 28.2 East, wouldn't half of it's transponders
be made redundant because Astra 2D is already using those frequencies?
Doesn't this mean that another low power, single band, spot beam satellite,
like 2D but built for Band C instead of Band D, would be a better idea?
(Perhaps they should rename Astra 2C to Astra 1L since that's the next
available drive letter where it lives, and then we could have a nice tidy
naming convention at 28.2 East, with Astra 2D on Band D and a new Astra 2C
satellite with a UK spot beam on Band C.)
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Author: Mark CarverMark Carver Date: Nov 28, 2006 08:45
Stephen wrote:
> Band C (10950 to 11200 MHz) is empty at Sky's 28.2 orbital position, and
> although it could provide
[snip]
Please don't perpetrate the notion that Sky 'own' 28.2E or any satellites,
they don't.
No wonder Joe Public imagine that in the UK [Satellite TV]=[Sky].
Any decisions about moving satellites around etc come from the satellite
owners, Astra and EuroBird, although of course BSkyB have considerable
'clout' with those companies.
--
Mark
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Author: gortgort Date: Nov 28, 2006 09:24
although of course BSkyB have considerable
> 'clout' with those companies.
Yes, shame about that !
Dave
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Author: Mark CarverMark Carver Date: Nov 28, 2006 10:26
Jerry wrote:
> "Mark Carver" wrote in message
>> Any decisions about moving satellites around etc come from the
> satellite
>> owners, Astra and EuroBird, although of course BSkyB have
> considerable
>> 'clout' with those companies.
>>
>
> Err, I would put it the other way around, Astral and EuroBird have
> considerable clout with BSkyB, although BSkyB will be a valued
> customer there are and always will be other customers who could fill
> BSkyB's shoes.
But Sky have made 28.2 their 'de facto' orbital position. Apart from a
few Czech channels on Eurobird, everything else is UK 'Sky Platform'.
Indeed I rather suspect the continued delay by BBC/ITV to launch their
Freesat' service is due to Sky's tight grip and control of the SI
streams on Astra's birds.
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Author: tony sayertony sayer Date: Nov 28, 2006 10:35
>Band C (10950 to 11200 MHz) is empty at Sky's 28.2 orbital position, and
>although it could provide
>dozens of HDTV channels, none of Sky's present 4 satellites can use it.
>Astra 2C could "move in" but it has a Europe wide beam and surely the BBC
>and ITV, 4 and 5 would much prefer another "spot-beam" like Astra 2D for
>future expansion of Free to Air services like ITV HD.
>
>Will they move Astra 2C regardless, thereby effectively blocking any further
>expansion of free to air services from BBC, ITV, 4 and 5, or is there a
>possibility of another UK spot beam and a small new satellite,
>"Astra 2E" perhaps?
>
>Also, if Astra 2C did move to 28.2 East, wouldn't half of it's transponders
>be made redundant because Astra 2D is already using those frequencies?
>Doesn't this mean that another low power, single band, spot beam satellite,
>like 2D but built for Band C instead of Band D, would be a better idea?
>(Perhaps they should rename Astra 2C to Astra 1L since that's the next
>available drive letter where it lives, and then we could have a nice tidy ...
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Author: JFJF Date: Nov 28, 2006 10:55
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In message <6ucdF4AlLAbFFwT7@ bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
bancom.co.uk> writes
>Its about time there was a free to air service to the UK that could
>carry TV without the dictates of the Sky box;)
How wicked of the BSkyB to be successful!
--
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
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Author: JFJF Date: Nov 28, 2006 12:43
In message , Bob Lucas
spoof.wanadoo.co.uk> writes
>Consequently, there is nothing to prevent a viewer in the UK from
>using a different type of digital receiver (i.e. non-Sky equipment)
>to view any channel that is genuinely Free to Air (i.e. not
>encrypted).
BSkyB's soft encryption meets the requirments of copyright owners when
granting territorial rights.
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Author: JFJF Date: Nov 28, 2006 12:39
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In message bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
bancom.co.uk> writes>>X-No-Archive: yes
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>>In message <6ucdF4AlLAbFFwT7@ bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
>> bancom.co.uk> writes
>>>>>Its about time there was a free to air service to the UK that could
>>>carry TV without the dictates of the Sky box;)
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>>How wicked of the BSkyB to be successful!
>>
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>Yes very wicked of him.. but a private monopoly is a bit worse than a
>state one dontcha tink?..
There is no monopoly. A monopoly would be illegal.
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Author: Mark CarverMark Carver Date: Nov 28, 2006 14:26
JF wrote:
> Uplinks [for Astra 28.2E] are probably in the hands of BT who hold licences to
> transmit uplinks.
Wrong. The BBC uplink themselves from TV Centre (take a ride on the
Hammersmith and City line and you#ll see the dishes), ITV , C4,
Discovery Networks by Arqiva at Winchester (and other sites), and Sky's
channels from Chilworth, BSky'B's own site that they inherited from BSB
in 1991. ISTR Viacom (MTV etc) arrange their own uplink too.
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Author: gortgort Date: Nov 28, 2006 14:45
JF wrote:
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> In message <6ucdF4AlLAbFFwT7@ bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
> bancom.co.uk> writes
> >>Its about time there was a free to air service to the UK that could
>>carry TV without the dictates of the Sky box;)
>
> How wicked of the BSkyB to be successful!
>
do you work for them?
Dave
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