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	<title><![CDATA[Re: Old Catholic Church (was Re: The Church of Satan: EXPOSED! on  Catacomb Paranormal Talk Radio)]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[On Sep 20, 9:21 am, "Comm" <N...@<a href="http://spam.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">spam.com</a>> wrote:<br>> "Day Brown" <daybr...@<a href="http://daybrown.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">daybrown.org</a>> wrote in message<br>><br>> news:48d4579b$0$26753$ec3e2dad@<a href="http://unlimited.usenetmonster.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">unlimited.usenetmonster.com</a>...<br>><br>> > forevernitefan wrote:<br>> >>  Aside from that on his own web site he calls himself " the very most<br>> >> reverend" and so forth. Big flashing neon lights level of phony here.<br>><br>> It's legit, see these<br><br>The religious groups may be 'legit', but Mershon/Moran/Rev. Gargoyle/<br>whositz has a history (on usenet, perhaps in real life) of pretending<br>to belong to many orgs.  Examples the come to mind:  Temple of Set,<br>A.'.A.'. (Thelema), Chruch of Satan -- all of which exist.  Some of<br>his nyms are:  Ron Mershon, Temple of Horus, Phosphoros,<br>Scorpius...and probably more.  He has claimed all sorts of exalted<br>occult grades, so why not be priest in an obscure pseudo-Catholic<br>sect?  Seriously, anyone who wants a good laugh, seach the usenet<br>archives for 'ron mershon' to read about his antics for<br>yourselves.<br><br>Don't take Jantsang's attempt at misdirection as a validation.<br><br>Luv,<br>Kori<br><br><br><br><br>:<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic</a><br>><br>> <a href="http://occna.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://occna.org</a>/<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.orccna.org/presidingbishop.htm" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.orccna.org/presidingbishop.htm</a><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.orccna.org/dioceses.htm" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.orccna.org/dioceses.htm</a><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.orccna.org/history.htm" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.orccna.org/history.htm</a><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lake/4916" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lake/4916</a>/<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.universalcatholic.com/universalcatholic/Home.html" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.universalcatholic.com/universalcatholic/Home.html</a><br><br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: Super seekrit message for Tani Jantsang]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Tani has a mustache?<br><br>On Sep 10, 12:50 am, Nomen Nescio <nob...@<a href="http://dizum.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">dizum.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Hallo Phyllis this Radu making you message on anonymous mail server<br>> like you teach all 1st year SR members. How you? Me fine me just peachy.<br>> Little red robin tell Radu that you now forsake fun time gay boys in your<br>> ORG like Proletariat and Audy for MONSTER COCK he-men like L Ron<br>> Garguillio and Grand Maggot Blackwood. Radu think this is good move<br>> and might help dispel rumor that you have John Allee baby through OTO<br>> magical child ritual. Radu also think Curio is now fooled to think you threaten<br>> her cat and dog in Kalifornia when you dont ever leave your house at 2804<br>> west 6th street Lehigh Acres Florida. Now Phylis slovak Radu have home<br>> made cucumber sauce for you to taste. You taste it Phylis, you taste it and<br>> lick it from your mustache when Radu squirt in your Turanian SNAKE EYES<br>> and give you new pearl necklace for birthday (no Radu not forget).<br>> <br>> Dasvidania<br>> Radu<br>> <br>> PS: you say hallo to Phil for me. Tell him no charge for pearl necklace.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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	<title><![CDATA[AIG's pioneering devlopment of &quot;captive&quot; reinsurance companies to  launder profits and evade taxes]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<br> <a href="http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2005/11/ftr-531-interview-with-lucy-komisar.html" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2005/11/ftr-531-interview-with-lucy-komisar.html</a><br>FTR #531 Interview with Lucy Komisar about Offshore<br>Recorded October 30, 2005<br> <a href="http://spitfirelist.com/?p=157" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://spitfirelist.com/?p=157</a><br><br><br>Featuring the brilliant investigative journalist Lucy Komisar,<br>this program highlights the use of "Offshore" entities to<br>evade taxes, maximize corporate profits and finance a<br>variety of criminal enterprises. Much of the first<br>side of the program consists of analysis and<br>discussion of insurance giant AIG and its<br>prolific use of "offshore" scams.<br>In addition to presenting AIG's pioneering<br>devlopment of "captive" reinsurance companies<br>to launder profits and evade taxes,<br>the program highlights AIG's use of<br>Coral Reinsurance for a variety of<br>illegal gambits. It should be noted<br>that AIG's illegal operations have<br>been aided by a number of powerful<br>and influential people. Much of the<br>second side of the program consists<br>of review of the pivotally important<br>Clearstream network, and its use by<br>intelligence agencies, corporations,<br>criminal syndicates and<br>terrorist organizations.<br><br>Program Highlights Include:<br>A working definition of "Offshore;"<br>the links of AIG to the intelligence community;<br>assistance given to AIG's scams by luminaries<br>such as Henry Kissinger and former Secretary of<br>the Treasury Richard Rubin; Clearstream's use<br>of unregistered accounts; the role of the<br>Clearstream network in the Banco Ambrosiano,<br>October Surprise and BCCI scandals; the role<br>of the Clearstream network in the financing<br>of Al Qaeda and 9/11; the role of the Clearstream<br>network in the machinations of the Russian criminal<br>networks of Mikhail Khordokovsky; discussion of<br>the "Bermuda Inversion" gambit; discussion of<br>"Transfer Pricing;" discussion of an organization<br>formed by Lucy Komisar that is working to<br>eliminate corporate tax evasion through the<br>use of "offshore."<br><br>1. In this return appearance by the formidable<br>Lucy Komisar, we begin the discussion of "Offshore"<br>with a functional definition:<br><br>"DAVE: 'Define 'Offshore' for us, Lucy.'<br><br>LUCY: 'Offshore financial centers are, mostly,<br>confidential and parallel financial systems<br>segregated from the traditional banking structure<br>of the jurisdiction and restricted to non-residents.<br>There are more than 4000 offshore banks thought to<br>exist in about 70 offshore jurisdictions.<br>They lack the regulation and supervision of<br>banks found in developed onshore jurisdictions.<br>In many OFCs, a bank can be formed, registered<br>and its ownership placed in the hands of nominee<br>directors via the Internet. There are few, if any,<br>disclosure requirements, bank transactions are<br>free of exchange and interest rate restrictions,<br>there are minimal or no capital reserve requirements,<br>and transactions are mostly tax-free. Some OFCs<br>permit the licensing and registration of 'shell banks'<br>that exist only on paper and do not have a<br>physical presence. They generally have legal<br>frameworks designed to obscure the identity of<br>the beneficial owner. Some OFCs offer the ability<br>to form and manage secretly a variety of<br>international business companies (IBCs), trusts,<br>investment funds and insurance companies, many with<br>nominee - that is front -directors, nominee<br>officeholders and nominee shareholders.'<br><br>2. Much of the program focuses on the scandals<br>surrounding the insurance giant AIG. We begin<br>with an introductory discussion of this<br>enormous corporation and its position in the<br>corporate landscape.<br><br>"DAVE: 'Now, let's turn to the subject of<br>insurance giant AIG, the focal point of two<br>of your Alternet articles. Tell us about the<br>company's size and importance in the industry<br>and the corporate landscape in general.'<br><br>'LUCY: 'AIG is the world's second largest<br>financial conglomerate and the largest<br>underwriter of commercial and industrial<br>insurance. In 2003, AIG reported net income<br>of $10 billion. It has $648 billion in assets,<br>a market value of $195 billion, $77 billion in<br>sales and $6.5 billion in annual profits.<br>It has operations in 130 countries and nearly<br>77,000 employees. It ranks third on Forbes'<br>list of the world's biggest companies, after<br>Citigroup, and General Electric."<br><br>(Note that the material on AIG was drawn from<br>Lucy Komsar's two articles written for AlterNet:<br>"The Fall of a Titan" by Lucy Komisar; AlterNet;<br>3/17/2005; "Take the Money and Run Offshore"<br>by Lucy Komisar; AlterNet.)<br><br>3. AIG and its CEO Maurice ["Hank"] Greenberg<br>are very closely related with the<br>intelligence community.<br><br>"DAVE' 'Tell us about AIG chief Maurice [Hank] Greenberg,<br>and his relationship to the intelligence community.'<br><br>'LUCY: 'The American International Group at its origins<br>was linked to the OSS (Office of Strategic Services)<br>the forerunner of the CIA.<br>It grew from the Asia Life/C. V. Starr companies<br>founded by Cornelius Starr who started his insurance<br>empire in Shanghai in 1919, the first westerner to<br>market insurance in China. Starr served with the OSS<br>during World War II, and the Starr Corporation,<br>located in the same building as the OSS in New York,<br>provided intelligence on shipping, manufacturing and<br>industrial bombing targets in Asia and Germany.<br>When Casey became CIA director in the Reagan<br>Administration, he wanted Greenberg to be his deputy,<br>but Greenberg decided to stay with AIG. After the<br>Ames scandal, Sen. Spector floated his name as a<br>replacement of Woolsey, but the job went to Tenet.'"<br>(Idem.)<br><br>4. AIG features a number of luminaries on its<br>board of directors and international<br>advisory boards:<br><br>"DAVE: 'Tell us about some of the prominent<br>people on the board of directors and international<br>advisory boards of AIG.'<br><br>LUCY: 'Henry Kissinger chairs AIG's<br>International Advisory Board. Its board of<br>directors includes William S. Cohen,<br>Former United States Secretary of Defense<br>and Senator, Caria A. Hills, Former United<br>States Trade Representative,<br>Richard C. Holbrooke, Former United States<br>Ambassador to the United Nations.'' (Idem.)<br><br>5. AIG's illegal and/or unethical stratagems<br>feature a pioneering use of "captives."<br><br>"DAVE: 'Let's turn to the subject of what AIG does.<br>What are 'captives' and how does AIG use them?'<br><br>LUCY: 'A captive is an insurance company that<br>is owned by the company it insures - and has<br>that company as its only client. Reinsurance<br>is insurance that an insurance company buys<br>so that if it has to pay out a claim, it doesn't<br>take all the risk. I discovered and reported on<br>a case where AIG used a reinsurance company<br>secretly owned by its client's CEO to help him<br>evade taxes, and by the way, to increase AIG<br>profits in a way that cheated the client's<br>stockholders. I wrote about the case on Alternet,<br>but it has not been reported in the corporate press.<br>Victor Posner, who died in 2002, was a crook known<br>as the original 'corporate raider,' famed for<br>engineering hostile takeovers of companies and<br>looting them. He had a history of corrupt dealings.<br>He owned a Delaware factory called NVF that made<br>Vulcan rubber. NVF had a workers compensation policy<br>with an AIG company, which reinsured it with<br>Chesapeake, a reinsurance company based in Bermuda,<br>an offshore center. It turned out that Chesapeake<br>was owned by Posner. In the early 90s, a Delaware<br>insurance investigator discovered that NVF was<br>paying twice the market rate to AIG for the insurance.<br>The transaction meant all the parties came out<br>ahead: AIG would keep a portion of the inflated<br>NVF premium before sending the rest to Chesapeake,<br>which meant AIG would have a higher commission.<br>Posner would write off the entire amount as a<br>business expense and enjoy the extra cash in<br>Bermuda, tax free. A former Delaware insurance<br>regulator told me, 'This was not an isolated<br>case with Vulcan. AIG did that a lot.' He said,<br>'AIG helped companies set up offshore captive<br>reinsurance companies. AIG would then overcharge<br>on insurance and pay reinsurance premiums to the<br>captives, giving the captive owners tax-free<br>offshore income.' However, the Delaware<br>Insurance Department took no action against<br>the insurer. When I gave AIG the details of<br>this scam, company spokesman Andrew Silver<br>told me, 'We don't have any comment on that.'<br>AIG declares on its website that it 'pioneered<br>the formation of captives almost 60 years ago,'<br>and it offers management facilities to run the<br>captives in offshore Barbados, Bermuda,<br>Cayman Islands, Gibraltar, Guernsey, Isle of Man,<br>and Luxembourg - all places where corporate and<br>accounting records are secret and taxes minimal<br>or nonexistent.'' (Idem.)<br><br>6. AIG also used offshore insurance interests<br>to move debt off its books, thereby making the<br>company appear to be more profitable than it<br>actually was. Of course, this did nothing to<br>damage the price of its stock.<br><br>"DAVE: 'What else did [does] AIG engage in<br>that was illegal?'<br><br>LUCY: 'In the late 90s, four state insurance<br>departments New York, Delaware, Pennsylvania<br>and California were aware that AIG was moving<br>debt off its books via the use of an offshore<br>insurance company it secretly set up and<br>controlled. But despite clear evidence of<br>wrongdoing, no sanctions were ordered.<br>State laws require insurance companies to<br>keep a certain amount of capital available<br>to pay out claims. If they have reinsurance,<br>that amount can drop. The reinsurer, of<br>course, has to be an independent company;<br>the risk isn't reduced if it's just moved<br>to another division of the same company.'"<br>(Idem.)<br><br>7. The program turns to the subject of<br>AIG's Coral Re gambit, and the considerable<br>assistance provided by investment firm<br>Goldman Sachs to the furtherance of this<br>scam: "'In the mid-80s, two of AIG's reinsurers<br>failed. AIG now was going to show unacceptably<br>high levels of debt on its books from claims<br>it would now have to pay out itself.<br>So Hank Greenberg decided to set up Coral Re,<br>a reinsurance company, to move his bad debts<br>off AIG books. It set up a shell company in<br>Barbados, where capital requirements and<br>regulation was minimal compared to the U.S.,<br>where American regulators couldn't readily<br>discover AIG's involvement and where, as an<br>added incentive, it could move money out of<br>reach of U.S. taxes. The scam company was<br>arranged with the help of Goldman Sachs then<br>headed by Robert Rubin, who would become<br>President Clinton's Treasury Secretary and<br>is now chairman of the executive committee<br>of Citigroup. It got some high-level corporate<br>executives to front for this supposedly<br>independent company. But I have a confidential<br>memorandum by Goldman Sachs which told why the<br>company was formed. 'AIG's interest in<br>creating the company is to create a reinsurance<br>facility which will permit its U.S. companies<br>to write more U.S. premiums. For a U.S.-domiciled<br>company, a high level of surplus is required to<br>support insurance premiums in accordance with<br>U.S. statutory requirements. The statutory<br>requirements in Barbados are less restrictive.'<br>The people who got this memo were corporate<br>executives who, in exchange for their names,<br>were offered a guaranteed return of $25,125<br>in the first year and $45,225 each subsequent<br>year. They didn't have to put up any money:<br>they got financing from Sanwa Bank of Chicago<br>secured by the Coral Re shares, a guarantee<br>of enough dividends from Coral Re to cover<br>the interest, and agreement they could hand<br>off the shares and debt whenever they chose.<br>Who got this no-lose so-called investment?<br>They included serving or former chairmen of<br>Reynolds Metals; Kraft; Itel, Mennen Company;<br>Morton Thiokol. The Arkansas Finance and<br>Development Authority, headed by a man who<br>went to work in the Clinton White House,<br>became lead investor, although state law<br>banned it from buying stocks. Clinton was<br>then governor of Arkansas. He would make<br>Rubin his Treasury Secretary. The new company<br>was not a legitimately independent business.<br>For investors, there was no money at risk;<br>the board of directors never made a decision;<br>and Coral Re had no office of its own but was<br>managed by American International Management,<br>a subsidiary of none other than AIG.<br>Eventually, the scheme unraveled.<br>In 1992, Delaware examiners smelled a rat,<br>AIG initially refused to provide Coral Re<br>documents to the examiners, and it took<br>them a couple of years to nail the connection.<br>When AIG finally supplied Coral Re's financial<br>papers, the regulator was incredulous.<br>He told me, 'The books were definitely cooked.'<br>But the cowardly regulators in Delaware,<br>Pennsylvania, New York and California, though<br>they agreed in 1996 that AIG owned Coral Re<br>and that there was no transfer of risk, did<br>not act to punish AIG, just told it to stop<br>using Coral Re. If Coral Re was an AIG affiliate,<br>it would have to pay taxes on its income.<br>If it was 'independent,' that money came tax-free.<br>But the IRS didn't have the guts to go after<br>them, either. AIG spokesman Andrew Silver simply<br>denied the validity of what all the insurance<br>commissions found. He told me that 'AIG was not<br>involved in the offer and sale of Coral Re's shares.<br>That was done by Goldman Sachs, which approached<br>potential investors with which it had relationships.<br>AIG did not control or have an equity interest<br>in Coral Re.' That of course it completely untrue.<br>Goldman Sachs failed to respond to inquiries about<br>its role in setting up Coral Re. In May this<br>year (2005), New York State Attorney General<br>Eliot Spitzer filed suit against AIG and Greenberg,<br>charging a pattern of fraud through the use<br>of 'sham transactions' that bolstered the<br>conglomerate's financial statements." (Idem.)<br>[CONTINUED]  <a href="http://spitfirelist.com/?p=157" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://spitfirelist.com/?p=157</a><br> <a href="http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2005/11/ftr-531-interview-with-lucy-komisar.html" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2005/11/ftr-531-interview-with-lucy-komisar.html</a><br><br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Jesus Christ still loves you.]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten<br>Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have<br>everlasting life.<br><br>Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none<br>other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.<br><br>2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men<br>count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that<br>any<br>should perish, but that all should come to repentance.<br>~<br>Jesus the Christ still loves you.<br>rhtydv@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a><br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: The Church of Satan: EXPOSED! on Catacomb Paranormal]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Since Ron Mershon of Baltimore Maryland was excommunicated from the Church of Satan it has been purged of neo-Nazi pedophiles.<br><br><br>On Sep 17, 11:16 am, Bishop Daniel Garguillio <revdan...@<a href="http://garguillio.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">garguillio.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The September 15, 2008 episode of Catacomb Paranormal Talk Radio with<br>> your hosts Bishop Daniel Garguillio and Wizard Steve Coupe is now<br>> archived for listening at anytime via:<br>> <br>> <a href="http://www.catacombparanormal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/Catacomb" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.catacombparanormal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/Catacomb</a>...<br>> <br>> (The link will work immediately on most browsers. A few may need to<br>> cut-and-paste it into their preferred media player)<br>> <br>> The show's topic is The Church of Satan: EXPOSED! Racism, neo-Nazism,<br>> terrorism, and pedophilia - The facts are revealed concerning Peter H.<br>> Gilmore's criminal cult.<br>> <br>> Also in this episode: Bishop Daniel is stalked by Hannah Montana!<br>> <br>> Music includes Pet Sematary by the Ramones, This Corrosion by Sisters<br>> of Mercy, Preacher Man by Fields of the Nephilim, and Wandering Star<br>> by Portishead.<br>> <br>> <a href="http://www.garguillio.comhttp://www.catacombparanormal.comhttp://www.naoldcatholic.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.garguillio.comhttp://www.catacombparanormal.comhttp://www.naoldcatholic...</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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	<description><![CDATA[The September 15, 2008 episode of Catacomb Paranormal Talk Radio with<br>your hosts Bishop Daniel Garguillio and Wizard Steve Coupe is now<br>archived for listening at anytime via:<br><br><a href="http://www.catacombparanormal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/Catacomb%%20Paranormal%%20Radio%%20Show%%20091508.mp3" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.catacombparanormal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/Catacomb%%20Paranor...</a><br><br>(The link will work immediately on most browsers. A few may need to<br>cut-and-paste it into their preferred media player)<br><br>The show's topic is The Church of Satan: EXPOSED! Racism, neo-Nazism,<br>terrorism, and pedophilia - The facts are revealed concerning Peter H.<br>Gilmore's criminal cult.<br><br>Also in this episode: Bishop Daniel is stalked by Hannah Montana!<br><br>Music includes Pet Sematary by the Ramones, This Corrosion by Sisters<br>of Mercy, Preacher Man by Fields of the Nephilim, and Wandering Star<br>by Portishead.<br><br><a href="http://www.garguillio.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.garguillio.com</a><br><a href="http://www.catacombparanormal.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.catacombparanormal.com</a><br><a href="http://www.naoldcatholic.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.naoldcatholic.com</a><br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Should I draw down the Moon?]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[A serious question.<br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Sept 17th  - Wednesday - Westside Munch.]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[sept 17th 7pm Westside Munch<br>Westside Los Angeles Munch Sept 17th<br><br>we're doing it again! We had close to 30 peeps show up for the first<br>munch. And tons of RSVPs for this one ...<br><br>Lots of people to meet so come on down.<br><br><br>Wednesday Sept 17th @ The Venice Whaler...<br><br><br>Venice Whaler Bar & Grill<br>2-10 Washington Boulevard,<br>Venice, California 90292<br>Tel: 310.821.<br>8737<br>Fax: 310.821.<br>6471<br><br>- 7 PM until...????<br><br>good drinks, reasonable food and great sunsets and a chance to meet<br>local leather folks.. What more could you possibly want?<br><br>please rsvp joseph@<a href="http://josephwriter.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">josephwriter.com</a> so i have an idea of how many<br>tables to reserve.<br><br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: Satanism Exposed THE ONA, Order of Nine Angles]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:00:04 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:<br><br>>Who cares?<br><br>    Since "Satanism" is based on a bunch of bullshit, only<br>those with some interest in bullshit it would seem. Who else?<br>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:33:02 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[Progressive Satanism Another Organization Exposed]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<br><br>"Satan represents the spirit of progress, the inspirer of all great<br>movements that contribute to the development of civilization and the<br>advancement of mankind. He is the spirit of revolt that leads to<br>freedom, the embodiment of all heresies that liberate." - The Satanic<br>Bible<br><br>The first thing I see right off the cuff is this group is still in<br>love with LaVey and his plagiarist thoughts!<br><br>THE SINISTER WAY<br><br>The sinister way is gleaned from the Order of Nine Angles and its<br>ideology is often at the hands of the plagiarist, or organization that<br>cannot grasp the reality of Satan.<br><br>The WSA is an esoteric Order embracing Progressive Synergic Satanism<br>within the context of what is refered to as The Sinister Way or<br>Hardcore Satanism. Unhypocritically, and true to its Nietzschean<br>roots, the Satanism of the WSA is beyond good and evil; that is to<br>say, it is beyond the relative definitions of right and wrong, "Left<br>Hand" or "Right Hand" path. Each initiate must think for himself,<br>define his own words, and cut out his own path according to his<br>personal and private needs and progress.<br><br>Sounds like atheism to me and this organization is doomed to fail due<br>in part to the faulty ideologies of this doctrine.<br>The Real Satanic Doctrine is available from <a href="http://www.templesofsatan.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">www.templesofsatan.com</a><br><br><br>Within the WSA Progressive Satanism is not a church defined doctrine<br>or prophetic decree imposed upon a mass of believers. Within the<br>boundaries of Progressive Satanism the Initiates personal self<br>progression and evolution takes center stage. One's own personal or<br>private mental, emotional, psychological, spiritual, and physical<br>needs becomes the central focus of each Initiate, in regards to his<br>own needs and evolution. Therefore, all religions, all gods, all<br>magic, and whatever tools each individual initiate needs is used to<br>further his personal progression. In this way one Initiates "Satanism"<br>will most time be very different from another. The reason being that<br>we are all unique individuals, with our own level of education,<br>understanding, and capacity to comprehend abstract and esoteric<br>thoughts.<br><br>By Synergic Satanism it is meant the combined effort of each of our<br>individual Satanists focused towards a common or collective cause. The<br>combined force of the whole, being greater than an individual unit,<br>and would therefore be able to accomplish more.<br><br>Collective ideologies are gleaned from Communism and is dangerous<br>practice most often by Liberals who wish the Constitution is dissolved<br>and total anarchy permeate society!<br>Those with the assets should give them to the collective so everyone<br>can prosper is a weak ideal and is against the founding documents and<br>founding moral codes of general society.<br>No collective has ever worked in the past, the idea is gleaned by<br>“hippies and cults.”<br>Read the Communist Manifesto sometime it will teach you why society<br>always should lean to conservatism.<br><br>SATAN<br><br>Satan within the WSA is given the ambiguous definition of a ubiquitous<br>force of nature. This force is like an ocean which condenses and<br>coagulates into ice burgs. The ice burgs symbolizing the physical<br>universe. Or this universal essence can be envisioned as the base of a<br>triangle, which gradually tapers into a coherently concentrated point.<br>The point being the physical universe. Although the point is a mere<br>fraction of the whole, it is a condensation, coagulation, or<br>concentration of the said supernal substance. In this way everything<br>physical is a manifestation of Satan, including one's fellow<br>creatures.<br><br>As always this document explains very little to the ideologies of<br>Satan and one can rationalize an idea that this group or individuals<br>tout La Vey's concepts an remains on the path of the Church of Satan,<br>simply put the Real Satanist cannot accept the concept of Satan rather<br>acknowledge the existance.<br><br>Worship and adoration of Satan within the WSA is not done through dark<br>ceremonies of reverse Christian rituals and liturgy. One's love and<br>devotion to Satan is expressed in action, deed, and word towards those<br>significant individuals in one's life; and the love and adoration of<br>physical existence itself. In other words to to adore and kneel your<br>heart before what you see and deem to be beautiful in your eyes; be it<br>a mother, daughter, son, brother, sister, lover, pet, the crease of a<br>saffron robe, a rose, or pile of rocks; is to adore and worship Satan<br>Himself.<br><br>Agreed the ideologies of Satanism, should never include “Reverse-<br>Christian”or texts described by those unqualified to speak on the<br>matter.<br>Satan is in adoration of the concepts of devotion, love,desire, deed,<br>word and the like.<br>And low and behold we climb aboard the ideologies of La Vey again<br>contained within the Ten silly writings below.<br>TERRITORIAL BOUNDARIES<br><br>The psychological territory of the WSA is defined by ten landmarks<br>called the Ten Proclamations, within which exists Progressive<br>Satanism. They are as follows:<br><br>-THE TEN PROCLAMATIONS OF PROGRESSIVE SATANISM-<br><br>1) I Proclaim that I am the center of my own universe; I exalt myself<br>as my own personal Deity, in progression to Godhood.<br><br>Modern Satanic View!<br><br>2) I Proclaim that I am a unique manifestation of ubiquitous Supernal<br>Light in physical expression; which also manifests itself as<br>everything and everyone around me.<br><br>Interesting, yet left unexplained!<br><br>3) I Proclaim that I am a being in the state of evolution, that I<br>cannot stand still or I shall die, but rather I must Progress, and<br>whatever gods, magic, religions, and tools I can use towards this end<br>shall only help me evolve into the Ubermench.<br><br>Progress where?<br><br>4) I Proclaim the supremacy of mind over matter. That my Will and<br>Intent, fueled with Imagination, Passion and Determination has the<br>power to alter and change my reality accordingly.<br><br>A true statement, the writer has some knowledge!<br><br>5) I Proclaim my belief in the Dark Force of Nature; dark because it<br>has never been brought into the light of understanding; whom I<br>personally identify as Satan.<br><br>Earlier you proclaimed yourself a deity, now Satan?<br><br>6) I Proclaim that Nature, in all its manifestations, is the One Great<br>Book of Illumination, written by the hand of Satan as my law and guide<br>to Enlightenment.<br><br>What book and who wrote it and who are they in relation to Satanism?<br><br>7) I Proclaim my belief in the Power and Might of One, in the<br>Brotherhood of Man, the Sisterhood of Woman; the Collective of Our<br>Family, over the segregated mass, as the highest blasphemy and our<br>noblest work.<br><br>Perhaps Obama wrote this?<br><br>8) I Proclaim that I am awakened and realize that I am a 90 Percenter,<br>a slave to the 10 Percent who own 90 percent of the wealth; who are my<br>true enemy, who usurped the sovereignty of my ancestors to gain their<br>dominion.<br><br>Perhaps this group should read the Communist Manifesto and stop<br>listening to Liberal Proffesors in College, this idea is Anti-<br>Capitalism!<br>I am successful by the hand of myself and because of the influence of<br>Satan.<br>I personally strive by business and efforts to rise to the 90<br>Percentile Category!<br><br><br>9) I Proclaim my ultimate Freedom and Liberation from this prison and<br>slavery; and will do all in my power to obtain this Freedom and<br>Liberation.<br><br><br><br>10) I Proclaim the sanctity and ecstasy of Mortal Existence; that the<br>Law of Life is Do What Thou Wilt and nothing more but to Love and be<br>Loved in return.<br><br><br>Crowley Anybody??????<br><br><br>Caligula -WSA-<br>An this name rings of a movie!<br><br><br>Perhaps you simply should visit <a href="http://www.templesofsatan.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">www.templesofsatan.com</a> to find out<br>some truth!<br>Hail Satan<br>Grand Magister Blackwood<br>
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