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	<title><![CDATA[Killing our Sons]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<br>> > It was his Father's will that Jesus would suffice and die on the cross.<br><br>If I were to nail my son to a cross so that he dies, would that be a Good <br>Thing?<br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Islam is one sick religion]]></title>
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	<title><![CDATA[God's Fountain of Youth]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Can we live forever?   Can we be forever young and healthy?  Is there<br>a fountain of youth?  So far science and medical research has failed<br>to stop the aging process and death.<br>Yet there is hope, but this hope in not in man but is what God has<br>promised.  Please take the<br>time to ponder the following inspirational  words  and you will see<br>there is something to hope for beyond this life and the grave.<br><br>John.4<br>[7] There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto<br>her, Give me to drink.<br>[9] Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou,<br>being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the<br>Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.<br>[10] Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of<br>God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou<br>wouldest<br>have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.<br>[13] Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this<br>water shall thirst again:<br>[14] But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall<br>never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a<br>well of water springing up into everlasting life.<br><br>1Cor.15<br>[[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we<br>shall all be changed,<br>[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for<br>the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,<br>and we shall be changed.<br>[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal<br>must put on immortality.<br>[54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and<br>this<br>mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass<br>the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.<br>[55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?<br>[56] The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.<br>[57] But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our<br>Lord Jesus Christ.<br>[58] Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable,<br>always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that<br>your labour is not in vain in the Lord.<br><br>Matt.19<br>[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good<br>thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?<br><br>John.3<br>[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,<br>that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have<br>everlasting life.<br><br>John.5<br>[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal<br>life: and they are they which testify of me.  - Jesus<br><br>John.6<br>[68] Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou<br>hast the words of eternal life.<br><br>John.10<br>[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,<br>neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.<br><br>John.12<br>[25] He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his<br>life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.<br><br>John.17<br>[2] As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give<br>eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.<br>[3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true<br>God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.<br><br>Acts.13<br>[48] And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified<br>the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life<br>believed.<br><br>Rom.5<br>[21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign<br>through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.<br><br>Rom.6<br>[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal<br>life through Jesus Christ our Lord.<br><br>2Cor.4<br>[17] For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for<br>us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;<br>[18] While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the<br>things<br>which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but<br>the things which are not seen are eternal.<br><br>2Cor.5<br>[1] For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were<br>dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands,<br>eternal in the heavens.<br><br>1Tim.1<br>[17] Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise<br>God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.<br><br>2Tim.2<br>[10] Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they<br>may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal<br>glory.<br><br>Tit.3<br>[7] That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs<br>according to the hope of eternal life.<br><br>Heb.5<br>[9] And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation<br>unto all them that obey him;<br><br>Heb.9<br>[12] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood<br>he<br>entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal<br>redemption for us.<br>[14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal<br>Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience<br>from<br>dead works to serve the living God?<br>[15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that<br>by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were<br>under the first testament, they which are called might receive the<br>promise of eternal inheritance.<br><br>1John.1<br>[2] (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear<br>witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the<br>Father, and was manifested unto us;)<br><br>1John.2<br>[25] And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal<br>life.<br><br>1John.3<br>[15] Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no<br>murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.<br><br>1John.5<br>[11] And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life,<br>and this life is in his Son.<br>[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of<br>the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that<br>ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.<br>[20] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an<br>understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him<br>that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and<br>eternal life.<br><br>Rev.7<br>[17] For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed<br>them,<br>and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall<br>wipe away all tears from their eyes.<br><br>Rev.21<br>[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there<br>shall<br>be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be<br>any more pain: for the former things are passed away.<br><br>Heb.6<br>[17] Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of<br>promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:<br>[18] That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God<br>to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge<br>to lay hold upon the hope set before us:<br>[19] Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and<br>stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;<br>John.10<br>[1] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door<br>into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a<br>thief and a robber.<br>[2] But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.<br>[7] Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you,<br>I  am the door of the sheep.<br>[9] I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and<br>shall go in and out, and find pasture.<br><br>1Thes.4<br>[13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning<br>them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have<br>no hope.<br>[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them<br>also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.<br>[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which<br>are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent<br>them which are asleep.<br>[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,<br>with<br>the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead<br>in<br>Christ shall rise first:<br>[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together<br>with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we<br>ever be with the Lord.<br>[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.<br><br><a href="http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/i/f/iftpearl.htm" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/i/f/iftpearl.htm</a><br><br>I've found the Pearl of greatest price,<br>  My heart doth sing for joy;<br>  And sing I must, for Christ is mine;<br>  Christ shall my song employ.<br>Christ is my Prophet, Priest and King;<br>  A Prophet full of light,<br>  My great High Priest before the throne,<br>  My King of heav'nly might.<br>For He indeed is Lord of lords,<br>  And He the King of kings;<br>  He is the Sun of righteousness,<br>  With healing in His wings.<br>Christ is my Peace; He died for me,<br>  For me He gave His blood;<br>  And as my wondrous Sacrifice,<br>  Offered Himself to God.<br>Christ Jesus is my All in all,<br>  My Comfort and my Love,<br>  My Life below, and He shall be<br>  My Joy and Crown above.<br>Words:  by John Mason,  1683.<br><br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: FACTS SHOCKING BUT TRUE!]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<br><br>Owtsar wrote:<br>> Y A O H � S H U A<br>><br>>   FACTS SHOCKING BUT TRUE!<br>><br>>   1. The real, original and genuine Name of our Creator in the<br>>   original Hebrew Holy Scriptures is 'YAO-HOO' and that of the<br>>   genuine Messiah is 'YAO-HOO-SHUA.'<br><br>There are no vowels in the Hebrew Language, so yer only<br>guessing to pronounce it right by trying to add vowels to it.<br><br>For some strange reason MANY are attempting to<br>crack the KEY, yet every time they try, they obviously<br>fail. NO Man alive today, knows how to pronounce Gods<br>name, while only IDIOTS presume that they do!<br><br>><br>>   (accented on the syllable 'hoo')<br>><br>>   2. Salvation is found in nobody else for there is no other<br>>   name under heaven given to men for salvation except:<br>>   'YAOH�SHUA' - Acts 4:12, Holy Scriptures.<br><br><br>John 4:22<br><br>  Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship:<br>for salvation is of the Jews.<br><br><br>please note Jesus says "salvation is of the Jews", he also<br>says "WE know what we worship", meaning the Jews know<br>that it is the God of Abraham, and NOT that it is Jesus<br>is the TRUTH!<br><br>Now which are you gonna believe. Paul, or Jesus?<br>The Jews would probably suggest neither, and they<br>would be right to suggest it, cause they already<br>know who they worship, even if everyone else don't!<br><br><snip> whew long winded fella, way too much<br>to comment on it all.<br><br><br>Peace be with you all..<br><br>They call me Bruce<br>
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	<title><![CDATA[New Book Unveils the Cathar Joan of Arc]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[NEW BOOK UNVEILS THE CATHAR JOAN OF ARC<br><br>She was called “The Light of the World” and may have been the woman<br>secretly remembered as the High Priestess of the Tarot.<br><br>In 13th-century France, Esclarmonde de Foix was thought by some to be<br>the guardian of the Holy Grail. The popular viscountess abandoned her<br>life in the fabled troubadour courts Occitania to become the High<br>Priestess of the Cathars, a pacifist sect of heretical Christians<br>persecuted by the Vatican. In France today, she is still honored as<br>the Cathar Joan of Arc.<br><br>This year marks the anniversary of her rise to fame. Eight centuries<br>have passed since the Roman Catholic Church launched a war against<br>Esclarmonde and her followers. Yet the Cathars—from the Greek word for<br>“Pure Ones”—continue to fascinate us. Some consider them to be the<br>first Protestants. In The Da Vinci Code, they were suspected of<br>guarding the bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. During World War<br>II, the Nazis searched for a treasure reportedly hidden by the Cathars<br>before their demise.<br><br>According to a new book by Glen Craney, Esclarmonde and her Cathars<br>may indeed have possessed a secret that the Church wanted suppressed,<br>but one much more dangerous than a Jewish royal lineage.<br><br>The Fire and the Light: A Novel of the Cathars and the Lost Teachings<br>of Christ unfolds the Albigensian Crusade through the eyes of this<br>defiant Cathar priestess, who outraged Rome by publicly debating the<br>future St. Dominic and preaching against the Church’s corruption of<br>Christ’s teachings.<br><br>In 1208, Pope Innocent III retaliated against the Cathars with the<br>only official war of genocide ever waged against fellow Christians.<br>Forty years later, southern France lay in ruins and thousands were<br>dead.<br><br>Esclarmonde’s pacifist reformers made their last stand atop Montsegur,<br>a haunting temple fortress bordering the French Pyrenees. Today,<br>Montsegur and the crumbling Cathar castles draw thousands of visitors<br>and pilgrims each year.<br><br>“Glen Craney’s stunning new novel tells the real story behind the<br>mysterious heretics in The Da Vinci Code and the secrets they guarded<br>to their deaths,” says documentary producer David S. Martin.<br><br>The Fire and the Light is a sweeping epic of religious fanaticism,<br>troubadour romance, Templar intrigue, and esoteric mystery.<br><br>Visit <a href="http://www.thefireandthelight.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">www.thefireandthelight.com</a> for more information.<br><br>The Fire and the Light: A Novel of the Cathars and the Lost Teachings<br>of Christ<br>ISBN 928-0-981-6484-7-7/$24.95 Hardcover/496 pages/September, 2008<br>release<br>Published by Brigid’s Fire Press and distributed by Baker & Taylor,<br>Ingram, and Greenleaf Book Group<br><br>Available online and in bookstores this week.<br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: You who oppose the light...]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[On Sep 7, 2:18 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@<a href="http://yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> "Azure" <laddie'o'lugh@gall'<a href="http://s.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">s.org</a>> wrote in message<br>><br>> news:AKSdnQjAbJR8w17VnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@posted.gcicommunications...<br>><br>><br>><br>> > Mark Earnest wrote:<br>><br>> >> "David St. Albans" <whisperind...@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote in message<br>> >>news:a1214dca-2f68-4309-9cc9-4a44f471493d@<a href="http://t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com</a>...<br>> >> > On Aug 31, 8:16 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@<a href="http://yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >> >> "Art" <a...@<a href="http://yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a>> wrote in message<br>><br>> >> >>news:48bb4b25$0$11749$9a6e19ea@<a href="http://unlimited.newshosting.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">unlimited.newshosting.com</a>...<br>><br>> >> > So According to Mark, there is no Freedom, no creativity for humans,<br>> >> > no free will, we are all God's little sock puppets and do what God<br>> >> > tells us. Well in my beliefs, God does NOT tell us what to do, for we<br>> >> > are the Gods and we do not fear opposing God, for to do so would be to<br>> >> > oppose one's self. God is utterly and totally free to do what He<br>> >> > wills. And as Jesus said. I and my Father are ONE. and All of you are<br>> >> > gods, as it is written. If God is the Father than he is the father of<br>> >> > gods. Not of unimportant little meat-puppets.<br>><br>> >> > Once again he uses the Bible to make himself seem as if HE has the<br>> >> > truth alone. This of course cannot be. All of us have the truth as<br>> >> > well. And all of us are not opposed to Truth or Light, we are<br>> >> > valiantly opposed to Mark Earnest's doctrines and hateful anti-human<br>> >> > attitudes. His version of God and the Bible is skewed towards a<br>> >> > perspective he himself has created. And his creation, though he is<br>> >> > free to create whatever he wills, is unpalatable in the extreme to the<br>> >> > rest of us. He is therefore, for us, not spreading light, but<br>> >> > ignorance and darkness. Where we agree there is light and dimension,<br>> >> > he denies it. And denies us counseling together for our benefit. It is<br>> >> > he that is wrong here. We know it. But he chooses always to turn it<br>> >> > around on us and call us the evil ones and the darkness and the<br>> >> > Pharaohs when it is HE who would make himself king and prophet over us<br>> >> > all.<br>><br>> >> > Saint<br>><br>> >> God created you this way, too, Albans.<br>> >> You can't help it.<br>> >> Just be the way God created you.<br>> >> That is about all you can do, anyway.<br>><br>> > No, you do have a choice in life Mark.<br>> > You can go Left or you can go Right, THAT is up to you!<br>><br>> I know that, Azure, I was just trying not to be judgmental.<br><br>Be careful it does not come back on you.<br>What goes around comes around.<br><br>"judge not lest ye be judged"<br><br>><br>> > GOD tries to lead you the right way, but in the end you make the choice.<br>> > Only the Angelic "Have no Choice"!<br>> > Satan is Gods Angel!<br>> > Man may not like him but he is Gods Most Beloved.<br>><br>> Lucifer (which you call Satan) is a very loveable type, kind of like Benji<br>> the dog.<br>> He is in charge of the evil, and is continually before God, as you can see<br>> in the book of Job.<br><br>It's only EVIL in the eyes of man, to God it's simply the<br>Darkness. There is NO EVIL in the Mind of God. Mind yer tongue.<br><br>Peace be with you..<br><br>They call me Bruce<br>
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	<title><![CDATA[Re: You who oppose the light...]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[On Sep 7, 1:08 am, Azure <laddie'o'lugh@gall'<a href="http://s.org" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">s.org</a>> wrote:<br>> Mark Earnest wrote:<br>><br>> > "David St. Albans" <whisperind...@<a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote in message<br>> >news:a1214dca-2f68-4309-9cc9-4a44f471493d@<a href="http://t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com</a>...<br>> > > On Aug 31, 8:16 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@<a href="http://yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > >> "Art" <a...@<a href="http://yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a>> wrote in message<br>><br>> > >>news:48bb4b25$0$11749$9a6e19ea@<a href="http://unlimited.newshosting.com" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">unlimited.newshosting.com</a>...<br>><br>> > > So According to Mark, there is no Freedom, no creativity for humans,<br>> > > no free will, we are all God's little sock puppets and do what God<br>> > > tells us. Well in my beliefs, God does NOT tell us what to do, for we<br>> > > are the Gods and we do not fear opposing God, for to do so would be to<br>> > > oppose one's self. God is utterly and totally free to do what He<br>> > > wills. And as Jesus said. I and my Father are ONE. and All of you are<br>> > > gods, as it is written. If God is the Father than he is the father of<br>> > > gods. Not of unimportant little meat-puppets.<br>><br>> > > Once again he uses the Bible to make himself seem as if HE has the<br>> > > truth alone. This of course cannot be. All of us have the truth as<br>> > > well. And all of us are not opposed to Truth or Light, we are<br>> > > valiantly opposed to Mark Earnest's doctrines and hateful anti-human<br>> > > attitudes. His version of God and the Bible is skewed towards a<br>> > > perspective he himself has created. And his creation, though he is<br>> > > free to create whatever he wills, is unpalatable in the extreme to the<br>> > > rest of us. He is therefore, for us, not spreading light, but<br>> > > ignorance and darkness. Where we agree there is light and dimension,<br>> > > he denies it. And denies us counseling together for our benefit. It is<br>> > > he that is wrong here. We know it. But he chooses always to turn it<br>> > > around on us and call us the evil ones and the darkness and the<br>> > > Pharaohs when it is HE who would make himself king and prophet over us<br>> > > all.<br>><br>> > > Saint<br>><br>> > God created you this way, too, Albans.<br>> > You can't help it.<br>> > Just be the way God created you.<br>> > That is about all you can do, anyway.<br>><br>> No, you do have a choice in life Mark.<br>> You can go Left or you can go Right,<br><br>There is the center of the road as well.<br>That's the path Jesus took. Yet it's not<br>meant for everybody. To each their own.<br><br>I say again, there are THREE pillars<br>according to the Kabbalah. Which ever<br>one is YOURS follow it up!<br><br>The reason why the CENTER path is of<br>the Messiah should be obvious. It's<br>the ONE that can relate to the OTHER<br>two being both masculine and feminine.<br>A "mixture" of BOTH! The word "mixture"<br>for any Alchemists out there.<br><br>Remember the "loadstone".<br><br>Crowley spoke of it..<br><br>..among other things.<br><br>Peace be with you all..<br><br>They call me Bruce<br><br><br><br>> THAT is up to you!<br>> GOD tries to lead you the right way, but in the end you make the choice.<br>> Only the Angelic "Have no Choice"!<br>> Satan is Gods Angel!<br>> Man may not like him but he is Gods Most Beloved.<br>> Rome circa 750 AD, decided Satan was EVIL!<br>> Before that he was "The Angel of Knowledge"!<br><br>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:22:49 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[Bio Pig]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.linktv.org/video/2833" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.linktv.org/video/2833</a><br>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:17:23 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[Jesus' death was a sacrifice to promote Peace.]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[On Sep 5, 10:48 am, "Allan Svensson" <allan...@algonet.se> wrote:<br>>                Jesus' death was a propitiatory sacrifice<br>><br>> The Bible teaches clearly that Jesus' death on the cross was a<br>> propitiatory sacrifice. For us the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus is<br>> the most important message in the whole Bible. The propitiatory<br>> sacrifice of Jesus and the gospel of salvation that God let preaches,<br>> is something so great that not even God's angels have understood it.<br>> "... which things the angels desire to look into." 1 Peter 1:10-12.<br>><br>> Before Jesus died on the cross, he said, "It is finished." Which was<br>> finished? The propitiatory sacrifice! Accordingly, Jesus endured<br>> his severe suffering on the cross. It was not as some mean that<br>> Jesus endured the suffering of hell while his body was in the grave.<br>><br>> Jesus gave his life of his own free will. He says in John 10:17-18,<br>> "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life,<br>> that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it<br>> down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power<br>> to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."<br>><br>> When Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for Jesus' body, Pilate<br>> was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Mark 15:43-44.<br>> Please, also read John 19:31-42. Accordingly, Jesus died earlier<br>> than he ought to do because of the crucifixion. The explanation<br>> is that Jesus literally gave his life.<br>><br>> In Matt. 20:28 and in Mark 10:45 Jesus tells that he had come to<br>> serve, and to give his life a ransom for many. And in Luke 22:19<br>> he says, "This is my body which is given for you; this do in<br>> remembrance of me." And in the verse 20. In the same way, after<br>> the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new testament<br>> in my blood, which is shed for you." Do you know what John the<br>> Baptist said about Jesus? He said, "Behold the Lamb of God,<br>> which taketh away the sin of the world!" John 1:29.<br>><br>> It was his Father's will that Jesus would suffice and die on the cross.<br>> Jesus knew ahead what would happen to him, and he spoke several<br>> times about this, that he would die and rise from the dead again.<br>> In Matt.26:53 Jesus says, "Thinkest thou that I cannot pray to my<br>> Father, and he shall presently give my more than twelve legions<br>> of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus<br>> it must be?" In John 18:11 Jesus says to Peter, "Put up thy sword<br>> into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I<br>> not drink it?" And in Acts 4:28 we can read, "For to do whatsoever<br>> thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done."<br>><br>> "From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how<br>> that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the<br>> elders and the chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be<br>> raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to<br>> rebuke him, saying, "Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be<br>> unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me,<br>> Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the<br>> things that be of God, but those that be of men." Matt. 16:21-23.<br>> Satan did not like that Jesus would die on the cross. He enticed<br>> Peter to contradict Jesus, when Jesus spoke that he must suffer<br>> and die.<br>><br>> Some deny that Jesus' death was a propitiatory sacrifice. They<br>> mean that Jesus was murdered, and a murder justifies none.<br>> When they deny that Jesus died for our sins, then they are<br>> disobedient and do not believe God's gospel. Jesus and his<br>> propitiatory sacrifice constitute the very foundament of God's<br>> gospel. Through their disobedience that they do not believe in<br>> Jesus and his propitiatory sacrifice, they dispossess themselves<br>> (and them who believe on their doctrine) every possibility to<br>> come to God. They cannot get forgiveness for their sin. They<br>> expose both themselves and those whom they try to teach for<br>> a really mortal danger! God gives no forgiveness other than<br>> through Jesus' propitiatory sacrifice on the cross. For the<br>> preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but<br>> unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor. 1:18.<br>><br>> The same attitude had the Pharisees and the teachers of the law.<br>> They wished the eternal life that God had promised. They<br>> diligently studied the Scriptures and thought that by them they<br>> possessed eternal life. John 5:35-47. Nevertheless, their will and<br>> striving were yet in vain. Why? It was one thing that they did<br>> not were willing to do. They were not willing to believe in Jesus!<br>> Please, also read Jesus' speaking in John 6:29-67.<br>><br>> In 1 Cor. 15:3-4 Paul writes, "For I delivered unto you first of<br>> all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins<br>> according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he<br>> rose again the third day according to the scriptures."<br>><br>> Allan Svensson<br>><br>> Do you want to read the continuation of this article<br>> or if you have any questions<br>> Please, visit my Web <a href="http://Sitehttp://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAGE01.HTM" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">Sitehttp://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAGE01.HTM</a><br>><br>> To whom did Jesus make the <a href="http://payment?http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAYMENT.HTM" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">payment?http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PAYMENT.HTM</a><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM" rel="nofollow" class="url" target="_blank">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM</a><br><br>Forget the writings of Paul. All they do is confuse people.<br>The simple truth is Jesus may not have died at all, and if<br>he did, he died to preserve Peace. Jesus could have led<br>an insurrection against Rome, but he didn't. Perhaps fully<br>realizing the folly of such a move to begin with.<br><br>Fighting doesn't solve anything!<br><br>Peace be with you all..<br><br>They call me Bruce<br>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:50:48 PDT</pubDate>
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	<title><![CDATA[ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..]]></title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<br>ARA reminds me of Wikipedia..<br><br><br>Where there are those few, similar to Albie<br>and his sycophants in ARA who *control*<br>what gets accepted and what doesn't. That<br>is called *censorship* It seems Google is<br>going the same way. Those are not the<br>principles UseNet  was founded upon. I hate<br>to see the OLD UseNet slip away. Maybe it will<br>force the return of the Glory Days of BBSing<br>and Packet Mailing.<br><br>In any event the screws are tightening on freedom<br>of speech on Usenet.<br><br>Hail to the Chief..<br><br><br>Peace be with you all..<br><br>They call me Bruce<br>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:15:23 PDT</pubDate>
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