On Aug 7, 10:12 am, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
> On Aug 6, 12:21 pm, Anonymous gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 6, 8:11 am, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
>>> On Aug 5, 10:43 pm, "JT" wrote:
>>>> Since Jeff was in the Sea Org, he was "entitled", so to speak, to go to the
>>>> RPF. If he really was assigned low conditions such as Treason and Enemy, how
>>>> come he was only "off-loaded" and not sent to the RPF?
>>>> What does "off-loaded" means anyway and what is the difference between being
>>>> off-laded and sent to the RPF?
>>> Jeff did end up for a day on the PAC RPF (LA region RPF), but because
>>> Miscavige didn't literally order Jeff to the RPF, Jeff came right back
>>> My guess is Jeff didn't exemplify the other needed requirements to
>>> qualify also, like Jeff wasn't asking to route out, Jeff wasn't
>>> voicing evil intentions towards his superiors nor towards David
>>> Miscavige, and thus he was considered NOT bad enough for RPFing.
>>> Because he wasn't bad enough, when sec checked (interrogated ad
>>> nauseum for "evil purposes") he didn't have the right answers to
>>> qualify for the RPF.
>>> His "production record" and dedication to the cause, he didn't have
>>> 'blow thoughts" he didn't ask to leave the Sea Org, so he was
>>> considered a resource enough to go into the PAC (Western United States
>>> cluster echelon there in LA) and that's the long range option for
>>> people of not really bad pasts, and get used as a "coin" to fill the
>>> estates positions, which in turn frees up personnel as "coins" to
>>> replace others, in turn to spring people to be used to in turn fill
>>> the vacancies in the upper tier executive positions that always need
>>> filling in the merry go round life the Sea Org.
>>> But he was on the RPF for one day, then taken off again, most likely
>>> because someone misinterpreted David Miscavige's intentions, and
>>> likely Miscavige never said literally that Jeff ought to be on the
>>> RPF, and Miscavige's subordinates are absolutely literal in executing
>>> what Miscavige comments.
>>> So if Miscavige never said to put Jeff on the RPF, then Jeff would not
>>> have been assigned.
>>> My guess is Jeff never was of the mindset to feel he qualified and I
>>> don't think he wanted to go do the RPF. If a person requests to go,
>>> had Jeff admitted he needed to go to the RPF, and requested it, likely
>>> they'd have let him go.
>>> But because Miscavige did not literally order Jeff to go, that is why
>>> Jeff did not stay on the RPF, that one day that Jeff did go the PAC
>>> RPFing of the top Int staff is normally only done on David Miscavige's
>>> command, not unless it fits a prior pattern that Miscavige has priorly
>>> approved as an unequivocable scenario demanding RPFing, like "blowing"
>>> or blatant demonstration of insubordination/evil purposes towards
>>> leadership, etc.
>>> My twin on the Int RPF, had blown, he knew he had to go to the RPF,
>>> and when he returned, he reported himself straight to the RPF, and
>>> Miscavige wrote my twin a letter, I thought a nice letter, my twin had
>>> some grudges though, against Miscavige NOT dealing with Marc Yager,
>>> who my twin felt Yager was the real cause of my twin's troubles in
>>> getting executed my twin's project that my twin failed was undoable
>>> due to Mark Yager's stalling and not approving completion of his
>>> project. (Yager came and joined us on the RPF later on, and Yager had
>>> already been busted earlier.)
>>> The complexities of executives in the top ranks causing each other
>>> problems, shifting blame on everyone else, and Miscavige being the
>>> arbiter of who is right and wrong in the back and forth "solutions" to
>>> all the self-created problems, it's a maddening stressful scene.
>>> Jeff didn't react to all of this with sufficient "RPFable" reactions,
>>> is why ultimately Miscavige didn't outright order Jeff to the RPF.
>>> When one of the Int level HR (human resources, in the Sea Org the HR
>>> person is called the Hubbard Communications Office Area Secretary, or
>>> HAS, or Division 1) person's defects, they can detail the ins and outs
>>> of the politics of RPFing the people at the top ranks.
>>> Mark Headley and Little Bear Victor and John Peeler can be asked.
>>> But it's be great if one of the recent years' HCO Sec's from Int
>>> defected, someone who was in on the decisions of who was offloaded,
>>> and why.
>>> We always need MORE defectors from the top ranks decision making
>>> positions to detail WHY things went as they are going.
>> It boggles the mind that Scientology would off-load anyone nowadays
>> given the declining numbers in membership. Instead of offloading them,
>> Davie should be sending them to the dying orgs to "rehabilitate"
>> themselves. Seems that Scientology is it's own worst enemy, not the
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> that bafflement with Miscavige's strategic behavior, the HR side of
> things, that is a long ingrained DNA problem with the cult, due to
> Hubbard's callousness with staff.
> The HR callousness is Hubbard, in the final analysis, in my hindsight
> Hubbard's personal relations were such that he had no lifelong close
> colleagues, and he even, to use Mark Headley's apt phrase, "threw Mary
> Sue under the bus", his wife, when blame had to be shifted away from
> him, which if he had accepted the blame, the movement would have more
> certainly tanked from it's delusion high horse way earlier, like back
> in the 1980s, when it should have shattered.
> It's a Machivellian scene, Hubbard was unbalanced mentally, he wrote
> his flaws into Scientology HR policy, and the policy blames staff and
> blames parishioners for failure to achieve Hubbard's unachievable
> hyped fraud "OT" level spiritual abilities.
> You don't see this, until it's time to leave, and they try to
> blackmail you with the personal admissions you've made, as their
> "defense" of their setup.
> Ironies of irony, is Hubbard blames them for all outside criticism,
> saying if they did their jobs as Scientologists and did his grand tech
> properly, they'd make such wonderous improvements in themselves and
> the public that the public would howl at the critics of Scientology.
Chuck: First, I want to thank you for sharing the treasure trove of
information you have on the inner workings of the cult. There were
some things you said about Jeff, however, that was confusing.
"My guess is Jeff never was of the mindset to feel he qualified and I
don't think he wanted to go do the RPF. If a person requests to go,
had Jeff admitted he needed to go to the RPF, and requested it, likely
they'd have let him go."
If RPF is as bad & denigrating as everything I've heard about it, why
on Earth would Jeff or anyone admit they needed to go to RPF or
request going to it. I would think the Scilons would want to do
everything they could do avoid it. I remember my days in the Army
that we came up with every excuse we could to avoid being assigned
(sentenced) to KP (kitchen patrol)..cleaning, mopping & every other
shitty work they could assign to us in a 12-hour day..
You posted: " RPFing of the top Int staff is normally only done on
David Miscavige's command". I find it difficult to accept that top
tier executives would report to RPF like lambs to the slaughter simply
because Miscavige says so. And who has oversight on Miscavige's
activities to assure he does not become a threat to the cult or take
personally profit from it.
You posted: " My twin on the Int RPF, had blown, he knew he had to go
to the RPF, and when he returned, he reported himself straight to the
RPF, and Miscavige wrote my twin a letter" you thought to be a nice
letter. I thought blowing the cult without routing out was a
treasonous act, so if a Scilon blows, then returns and reports to the
RPF, I would assume that person is going to be punished in some way
rather than receive a nice "welcome back" letter from Miscavige.
If Scilons are, in essence, tortured in RPF, why would anyone agree to
go versus being dragged kicking and screaming?