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Re: Thank you Tory Christman from Arnie Lerma         

Group: alt.religion.scientology · Group Profile
Author: Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 10 years!
Date: Sep 20, 2008 20:50

On Sep 20, 1:21 pm, Tigger webtv.net> wrote:
> Lerma, this is September, 2008.  The RADAR magazine and Out of the
> Dark Mary's BS to RADAR  was in March,
> 2008.   You keep on trying to rewrite old history that you keep
> dragging up.  You put YOUR words in Shawn's mouth and won't even let
> poor Shawn Lonsdale rest in peace.
>
> This is what Shawn Lonsdale (God rest his soul) DID SAY:
> Please take HEED of the advice he offers to critics.
>
> REPOST
>
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>
> From: "girvin" scienotimes.com>
>
> Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:29:53 -0800
>
> Local: Tues, Nov 28 2006 11:29 am
>
> Subject: Greenway is no way OSA
>
> This is all i will say on the subject....when i was first approached
> by Peter Alexander and Patricia Greenway i had no idea who they
> were...
> They were seen by the corner video cam i assume,and later identified
> also, they were verbally assaulted by Ron Savelo who did not recognize
> them either and i am sure ran them to find out who he yelled at
> seeing
> as i played with his head a little about it...we did go to a late
> lunch at a place picked off the cuff seeing as the first was
> unexpectedly closed...we did sit at a place easily seen from the
> surrounding area...patricia did give me 100.00 for a comp. program to
> get video up
> on the net (which was not adequate for my cam setup and never able to
> be used) price=98.99.
>
> I related all this when i recieved the injunction
> stuff with a third party and rolled the whole thing over and over
> until a scenario was assumed...setup?
> Still unsure i decided to let time and actions tell the tale and did a
> little invest. into the LMT and it's takedown...i came to the
> conclusion that the LMT did it's own damage for the most part and was
> not fully aware of the full scope of problems that the constant
> infighting and personality differences would eventually do.....it's a
> long story.
>
> Anyhow despite all the hard work and good intentions
> everyone split into two camps...and still to this day hold their
> positions...water under the bridge now.
> Later on an OSA rep. asked me why i had revealed in the depo that she
> gave me the 100.00 seeing as they had no idea that she did and it
> would make their case for them...i had to reply the obvious that it
> was the
> truth and to lie would be wrong and seeing as i had not met them
> before and that no contract was entered into it was a mute point
> anyhow...soon the depo will be webbed and you can read most of it
> here.
>
> This constant group bashing has to end and we all have to take a page
> from the COS on this one....stay together and keep your differences to
> yourself and work toward the goal at hand...divided we fall!
>
> Conspirices will take you into a realm of the unreal...literally!
>
> I was sucked in briefly and now stick to the film because it tells
> it's own story and you the viewer see what you want to in it....it's
> up to you not me to draw the conclusions as to what is going on in the
> here
> and now.
>
> The COS of today is a very different machine then 10 or even 5 years
> ago...they adapt and have become less able to identify.
>
> The public side does not always see or act in accordance with the
> inside....to expose them to dirty tricks doings would be too dangerous
> for the org. and would risk too many screwups also it might lead them
> to question the orders and actions.
>
> The OSA agents you all seek to find are potentially yourselves...we
> are the ones giving and doing what they hope to find and expose, limit
> that and you limit them...their own frustration will reveal itself
> sure
> enough you just have to be there to tape it.
>
> LUKE LEROT is my only legal help and OSA did not convince him i needed
> it...NUFF.
>
> Now...a little about me.
> Most everyone knows a little so i will make this short...i wanted to
> make a difference so i tried...and tried.
> For the past year or so life has been a constant struggle...day to
> day...to eat...to pay rent...to survive.
> I have been attacked,spit on by kids,cussed at in public,lied about,
> personally embarassed and rideculed publicly,falsly accused,and
> basically ruined utterly...i now face homelessness again and struggle
> to be ready to film everyday...everything but my cameras have been
> lost to the pawn shop for food or rent...my car is my only hope and
> has no working windows and 155k on the odometer...a job seems never to
> be avialable despite constant searching...
>
> My bills are as follows...
> 600 for rent...or 400 maybe if things work out in 24hrs
> 85 for cable and internet access
> 55 for car insurance
> 50 or so a month for food and cat food as well
> ? for gas
> 40 for a parking ticket while filming
> This is what i am down to, due to wanting to help expose the cult here
> in clam central....my choice?...partly...the choice i made and the
> responsability i have not to quit something i started...
> I have had help and sometimes not...never enough to get a breath
> though...Thanksgiving was spent eating a three day old half a chicken
> with my three cats...Christmas probably living in my car...no
> money,no
> future past any given day.
>
> This is what i have done and become...to pause is to admit defeat and
> allow a breath by the opposition is allowing one breath too many.
>
> Please remember all this when deciding to make a sign or to send a
> letter...to visit an org. or to pass out a flyer... your help does
> mean another day of relief for me when i am at their front door
> surrounded by security or trying to explain myself to a cop on another
> false anonymous report.
>
> Happy Holiday's
>
> Shawn
> aka Proflex/Girvin
> p.s. any questions...
> Name...Shawn Lonsdale
> Phone...727-461-9698
> address...510 n Lincoln ave
> Clearwater,fl. 33755
> e-mail... slonsd...@scienotimes.com
> (phone and add. subject to change within 48 hrs.)

"There is always a well-known solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." H.L. Mencken

I believe he was worn out, exhausted... abelson admitted that
scientology Inc had spent 30,000,000 trying to get rid of "bob"

A big deal was made about the Nigerian Junk Bond Buy Back.. and a
GREAT DEAL of disinformation - lies. It is easier always to take the
offerred explanations rather than really dig into what occurred.

All allude to something sinister... in order to allude that bob was
bad man, a kook.

All his symptoms were indeed consistent with battle fatigue, but not
with being blackmailed.

The 'being blackmailed' thought stopping idea was offerred along with
the 'Bob Sold Out' premptive Pr campaign on the newsgroup. I honestly
consider both of these to be a 'framing" of the selective facts that
were represented later, a magicians pre-set... to enforce how you will
interpret the data that was to follow.

If he HAD of 'sold out' then why was bob still a named party LONG
AFTER the Mcpherson litigation was over?, The Gagged Secret agreement
ending the Lisa McPherson wrongful death case was being celibrated as
great win! by the same kooks who launched the premptive bob sold out
campaign? Long after the Wrongful death suit was settled with a GAGGED
AGREEMENT?

If you look at the docket on the Pinnellas Courts page, you'll see
that it was only the spring of 2006 when the final entries were made
regarding bob minton! And the Lisa McPherson case ended in a whimper..
a silent one at that, ended with a BIG WIN for silentology... as a
gagged closing agreement.. with 5.6 million supposed to change hands...
(figure is based upon rumor)

The "breach of contract" case, which was a case brought by scientology
against dandar and Bob minton, for an agreement Ken Dandar made with
scientology, to NOT NAME DAVID MISCAVIGE in that case...This agreement
was made in the early stages of the Lisa Case, around the time that Dr
Denk settled with the estate ( with Ken) , by paying dandar and estate
$100,000 in exchange for him being settled out of the lawsuit.

After you were told what to think and how to interpret the "facts"
The facts were then presented with certain gaping holes in the data.

Now, in RTC vs Lerma.. that case, all the paper in it, fills 2 entire
full sized file cabinets. I cannot imagine how big the Lisa Case
actually was paper wise. My point being that, if you were to be shown
20 sets of testimony about who said what to whome... you might believe
"Bob sold out: but ONLY if just a few key FACTS and transcripts were
OMITTED.

Nota Bene:
Bob Minton went to great extremes to protect his family, he didn't
care if he looked bad, or his actions were interpreted in any way
demeaning, but there were a number of intense incidents.

Nota Bene: See, bob had once been a multi-millionaire, he was now
facing having to go back to work, as an investment banker, however, a
criminal perjury charge is a FELONY and under US banking regulations ,
if you have a FELONY CONVICTION you cannot be an investment banker!!!

I will address just ONE of those Omitted facts in this missive

Shortly before Bob Minton decided to do his "recant affidavit", he was
charged with CRIMINAL perjury, which was prosecuted as a CRIMINAL
case, in front of Judge Shaffer. Kendrick Moxon ran the prosecution of
that case.

At the end of that trial, it was short, maybe a day or two... only..
Moxon as prosecution, rested. By this time Bob had realized something
was very very wrong and he had switched counsel.. dropping merritt and
dandar and had gone to his 'expensive boston lawyers', this one was
named "Jonas" Now, after Moxon had rested his case, Jonas asked Judge
Shaeffer, to CONFIRM that the prosecution had rested, Judge shaeffer
confirmed this, then Jonas quoted a some fine print in the CRIMINAL
Perjury statute.. which demands that a separate that Unelss a witness
affidavit be filed in the instant case. And pointed out that all Moxon
had filed were exhibits of the perjuries, but he had failed to file
the statutorily demanded witness affidavit. Shaeffer almost rolled her
eyes, as Jonas moved to dismiss. Judge Shaeffer dismissed the criminal
perjury charges agianst bob minton.

Bob had an epiphany. This was the instant. It was not because "bob
sold out", he told me all the above and the stuff below, and he felt
so terrible that he was going to screw up the lisa case...but he felt
because of his financial situation and to escape a criminal felony
conviction.. he had no choice, and I concurred... because the only way
one gets in trouble in scientology litigation is when you lie, and
scientology has an established pattern of bringing pressure to bear on
matters of no importance to trick you into thinking you must lie!..
this is all covered in Gerry Armstrong's documents.. but Gerry was not
the one advising Ken Dandar... Gerry had been subject to an
extraordinary online campaign to cast him as a kook so folks would not
listen to him.

Unable to retry the case under the rules of double jeopardy,
scientology could to bring criminal charges again agafor the perjuries
they had proven, however Scientology had only selected a portion of
the perjured testimony... and was preparing to move again for the rest
of them.

Under the criminal perjury statute, of the state of Florida, there is
some other fine print, a witness who has perjured themselves cannot be
convicted of criminal perjury IF THEY FILE A RECANT AFFIDAVIT fixing
all the false statements before the end of the action.

Now... Bob explained these things to me via telephone that night..or
perhaps the night after... and sort of asked me for my blessing to do
his recant.

Based on the above, I gave bob my blessing, on this condition I said
"as long as you are telling God's truth, you have my blessing" it was
after the case above that Bob then had his lawyer jonas contact OSA
and let them know he was gonna do a recant, and bob met with OSA to go
over all the statements that were perjurous...

This transcript*note 1 has never been webbed, by the folks who had
acess to the documents, which otherwise are a pain to get and cost 50
cents a page...I believe because the fact of it, brings an explanation
that does not fit into the way you were supposed to perceive events.

Being in the middle of this shitstorm, I could not say much publicaly
beyond I Object... or anything about what I saw going on on the net...
prior to the recant and throughout the settlement talks.. and the
firestorms of accusations afterwards... my #1 priority was keeping my
friend, who had helped so many people, from being, as I percieved the
intent was to induce him to suicide.

And I knew that was a pattern of conduct of Scientology also...
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/spain.htm
Arnie Lerma

*note 1 - The CRIMINAL perjury case was brought in Federal Court, in
Boston and remanded to the state court in Pinellas for a trial, this
why "it does not show up in the civil docket" But no mention of this
event was made, except by me...and of course you are supposed believe
I am a kook and a liar. Any questions?
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