On Apr 22, 3:41 am, phil scott
philscott.net> wrote:> On Apr 21, 4:19 pm, Gertie
gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's great that Jason has spoken out, but the videos raised some
>> questions for me.
>
>> I am curious about what the exs here think about Jason's frame of mind
>> right now. And I don't mean at a personal level, although it may seem
>> that way, but what I was wondering was:
>
>> While he is clearly 'out' is it significant that he routed out and
>> didn't just blow?
>
> he did not route out... he told them to fix it or shove it...they
> didnt fix it, they kept lying he could see that, so he left. all
> that was healthy imo. way more healthy than 'routing out'..that
> approach indicates the person is not really straight on the issues.
> JB was quight clear on whats up with scn.
>
>
>
>> Do the exs identify with what he said and how he said it, and does it
>> represent a certain period, or stage, in the recovery process? i.e. is
>> he in some identifiable stage of recovery?
>
> My guess he is about 90%% recovered right now...thats fast.. 5 to 10
> years is more common, 20 years is not unusual...some never get all of
> the dogma scraped off....id say jason has most of it scraped of, 90%%
> or more. he is a realist, thats what saved him.
Jason is probably a realist because he had to maintain contact with
the real world, read scripts and act in various roles. He's a
successful, seasoned actor, but not a major stah, so he does a lot of
auditions and various gigs where he interacts with different people.
From my own experience, I was writing ad copy when I was in
Scientology, so I had to keep my wog vocabulary intact and well honed
if I wanted to be successful. The Scientology jargon was a second
language sort of thing. I learned to use it, but when I did, it was a
conscious translation.
Note that Jason said Kirstie Alley could probably be "salvaged" and
convinced to leave. She recently said she stopped doing commercials
for Jenny Craig because she's going to do her own weight loss program.
Errr.... will it be a WISE company? Will Scientology demand a cut on
threat of declaring her for squirreling the tech?
Curious minds may wish to speculate.
>
> some of the execs identify imo.. at least to the 50 or 70%% level..,
> but cant voice it in most cases... some execs are insane, those cant
> help but respect him in my view...it will cause them to thiink.
> Thinking is what pulls the plug on scientologists.
>
>
>
>> You could see his palpable pain when he talked about 'having a moment'
>> of realization -- a cognition in scilo-speak.
>
> yes... as he said the loss and emptyness on realizing the fraud is a
> shock.
> years of brainwash is restimulated when leaving.... he has a viable
> life and family...that
> will work out well for him. I think it will boost his career also.
>
>> I also thought I noticed some hesitation when he talked about the vast
>> amount of critical information out there. And while he didn't refute
>> it, it almost seemed as if he slipped back into Scilon logic to
>> explain why he doesn't wholeheartedly believe all that he's read. I
>> felt as if he was still trying to find justification for dismissing
>> some of the entheta out there.
>
> I didnt read it that way.... I just think that it takes a lot more
> than one year to see through all the techniques used against you in
> scn... and he is still looking at that.
>
>
>
>> And finally, if there are any social theorists lurking here -- did
>> anyone catch the reference to internalized discipline, which
>> immediately brought to mind Jeremy Bentham, Michel Foucault and the
>> panopticon? Have to get this man some reading material!!
>
> let him find his own way, he knows better whats on his mind and will
> have no problem seeking out
> the material on that imo.... he seems way better off now by a margin
> of 500%% or so than many still inside doing the OT levels... he knows
> this also. Jason is out and has stepped off the pier to total
> oblivion into his 1000 hp ocean going cigarette boat.
>
> I think this is just the beginning of a lot more we will see from
> Jason... he has all the best connections both inside scn and now on
> the outside to forward his goal of getting some of the people he
> helped recruit...out.
>
> it seems he is like Arnaldo and some of us critics..... we come back
> for our friends.... scn had better hope he doesnt team up with Magoo
> and Bunker.. oh wait.
>
> too late.
>
> He already has. :)
>
> Phil scott
