On 2008-05-04, in
Magoo
charter.net> wrote:
>> On 2008-05-04, in
>> Zogmorton zogmo.com> wrote:
>>>>> I just watched Tory's video response to Tom Cruise's
>>> interview on Oprah: I'm hoping this is a good place to find
>>> her. I'm confused by something she said. Tory said that
>>> Scientologists have no real "faith."
>>
>> Their faith is not like that of the Christians, which is
>> blind.
>>
>> Theirs is supported by the evidence of their own experience.
>>
>> Like that of the Yogis and Buddhist monks. They develop the
>> ability to perceive things that ordinary people can't through
>> 'meditation'. It is hard work.
>>
>> Christians just say they believe stuff and go about their
>> lives. And donate money to the Church. Essentially, they try
>> to buy their way into their heaven.
>>
>>
>>> Tory, could you (or anyone) please clarify what you mean?
>>> From what I've read of Scientology (I have no first-hand
>>> experience with it), they believe in the "thetan," which
>>> exists separate from the body and has many incarnations. That
>>> sounds like faith to me.
>>
>> It isn't. It is something that you can verify exerientially.
>>
>>> One could also argue that their disinterest in scientific
>>> testing of the claims made for auditing, touch assists, etc.,
>>> also points to a faith-based acceptance of these things.
>>> Where have I got it wrong?
>>
>> That's a complex question. First of all, mainstream science
>> can't test things that it claims don't exist, and that applies
>> to much of what Scientology teaches.
>>
>> Secondly, Scientology is a threat to mainstream science's
>> highly ineffective and highly institutionalized, psychotherapy
>> industry, which is allied with their psyycho-pharmaceutical
>> industry. Lot's of money is inolved, from government grants to
>> the sales of pills to the high fees charged by therapists.
>>
>> They could not be trusted to do an honest and objective
>> testing of Scientology's claims.
>>
>> This is not the group to post such questions on. This group is
>> dominated by anti-Scientology fanatics, almost none of whom
>> have any experience at all with Scientology, although they
>> love to pretend that they have.
>>
>> And they have no integrity at all. They lie like they breathe.
>>
>> They aren't interested in Scientology, they are interested in
>> destroying the Church of Scientology. With their poisonous
>> tongues.
>>
>> Why? I think it is because they hate their own lives and are
>> using the Church of Scientology as a scapegoat. There are
>> clearly other religions around which are far worse. Like
>> Fundamentalist Christianity.
>>
>> Jonathon? Did I get the above basically right? I think I did.
>>
>> Tom
>
> Is Jonathon "Coaching" you, or what? Why are you asking him if
> you got it right? Was this a line he fed you? "
I don't know much about Scientology.
Jonathon does.
Duh. Unlike "Anonymous", I don't want to misinform anyone
about it.
(It certainly isn't possible to learn anything about it on
this group.)
>> Why? I think it is because they hate their own lives and
>
>> are using the Church of Scientology as a scapegoat. "
>
> Nothing could be farther from the truth. I actually now *love*
> my life---------far more than you can imagine.
If you are involved with "Anonymous", which is a hate group
feebly attempting to destroy the Church of Scientology with
a vicious gossip campaign, then you are obviously lying.
But that's about the only thing one sees on this group: lies.
> And I now do have faith---something that was totally
> non-existant in Scientology.
I shudder to think what that faith is in if it allows
you to be a part of "Anonymous".
Let me guess: Some oversized White male asshole on a throne
in another dimension who sends homosexuals and Scientologists
to hell to be tortured forever...
>
> Happy Sunday :)
>
> Tory/Magoo~~
>
Sunday doesn't mean anything to me. Like Jesus, I don't have
anything to do with the sick religion called "Christianity".
Tom
