> After 26 years and reaching OT 5, L10, 11, 12, and Class 4 I have
> decided to leave the Church of Scientology.
>
> Reason: Betrayal After Trust
>

> Scientology has one less OT to financially drain or to help spread the
> lies. Me!
>
> I didn't know this kind of total freedom could feel so good. Yes!!!
>

> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:23:25 -0800, Skipper charter.net>
> wrote:
>

>>In article <1167863066.652352.87700@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>Tanya rochester.rr.com> wrote:

>
> snip
>

>>Yes, something triggered it, near death. But I'm not going on endlessly
>>with this thread because the point is continually being missed:
>>
>>1. I said it's possible because I did it.

>
> Skip, near death OOB experiences are relative common. You can get
> much the same effect from ketamine. The objective view is that it's a
> brain phenomena, and I don't doubt a bit that *subjectively* you
> experienced the feeling of being out of your body. There is almost
> certainly a part of the brain that activated or suppressed will
> generate the subjective experience on demand. I think dst would agree ...

> No I don't. I can be a quite skeptical journalist. I know when I was
> imagining things in the past and when I wasn't.
>
> I'm not sure why it upsets you guys so much that I know this happened
> and you feel so compelled to try to convince me it didn't, or why
> Tourette'sky got so instantly pissy about it. Very strange.

> Skipper charter.net> wrote:

>>Well, I mentioned that an actual scientist (unlike you), Einstein,
>>believe copiously in God....

> Here's a big problem for you, Skip. The number of human beings on
> this planet who believe in Santa Claus is far larger than the number
> who believe in exteriorization. (Granted, most of them are under 10
> years old, but they're still people.) Not only do these people have
> direct PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with Santa Claus, they have better
> documentation for their claims then you have for yours. They have
> photos of themselves sitting on Santa's lap. Hell, some of them even
> have VIDEO!

> "LordXenuCruise" yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1167941245.657615.235310@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...

>> First let me apologize for answering this nut job on this thread but I
>> coud not let it pass.
>>
>> "You

>>> look around for a pregnant woman and you come back again."

>>
>> Did you not see how stupid that was as you were typing it ? According
>> to this there must 1000's of spirits waiting around the rich and famous
>> waiting for someone to get pregnant so they can jump on in. Why would
>> anyone "Go into a pregnant woman" who is a crack whore or who lives in
>> the desert.

>
> Such a person would be a non-Scientologist. Here goes an argument for
> Scientology: "If you go clear or OT then you can *choose* the body you will
> inhabit during your next lifetime." The Scientology thetan sort of butts in
> line, jostling for position the other spirits that have queued up to be the
> unborn offspring of someone cool like Jack Nicholson or one of Charley's ...

> ShowMe wrote:

>> After 26 years and reaching OT 5, L10, 11, 12, and Class 4 I have
>> decided to leave the Church of Scientology.
>>
>> Reason: Betrayal After Trust
>>
>> I believed it when Hubbard said you don't have to die to know who you
>> are.
>> I believed it when Hubbard said after completing L10, 11 and 12 you
>> will be Stably Exterior with Full Perception.

>
> It was this promise that kept me in for a long time. I knew people who
> had done the L's so I assumed they had these abilities since otherwise
> they would have left in disgust after parting with so much money.
> Little did I know the full effects that mental conditioning could have
> on people who on the surface looked quite sane and sensible.

>> Skipper charter.net> wrote:

>

>>>Well, I mentioned that an actual scientist (unlike you), Einstein,
>>>believe copiously in God....

>
>
> He also extolled the virtues of socialism. Are you a socialist?

> ShowMe wrote:

>> After 26 years and reaching OT 5, L10, 11, 12, and Class 4 I have
>> decided to leave the Church of Scientology.
>>
>> Reason: Betrayal After Trust
>>
>> I believed it when Hubbard said you don't have to die to know who you
>> are.
>> I believed it when Hubbard said after completing L10, 11 and 12 you
>> will be Stably Exterior with Full Perception.
>> I believed it when Hubbard said you can have certainty of self as a
>> spiritual being.
>> I believed it when Hubbard said I can be totally free as a spiritual
>> being.
>>

>
>
>
> Sometimes a being gets into a situation where he has to choose ...