On May 11, 3:21 pm, "Diana"
noyoudont.com> wrote:>> On May 10, 11:30 am, John Manning
terra.com.br> wrote:>>> Caleope wrote:
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>>>> "John Manning"
terra.com.br> wrote in message
>>>>news:iKidnWR6L9GNK7nVnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com...>
>>>>> Allegiance to the group's ideology even trumps individual conscience
>>>>> and rational objectivity. It's that same "us vs them" tribal group
>>>>> mentality that lead a group of Mormons under the direction of their
>>>>> church leaders to savagely slaughter 120 helpless men, women and
>>>>> children after having tricked them out of their weapons by deceitfully
>>>>> offering them safe passage.
>
>>>> Tell me more about this incident if you can.
>
>
>>
http://www.mtn-meadows-assoc.com/ I consider this site far more
>> informational and includes testimony. Despite the massacre, even at
>> the MMS they acknowledge that "Complex animosities and political
>> issues intertwined with deep religious beliefs motivated the
>> Mormons." While the actions were without question horrific, putting
>> the entire event including the prehistory does add a far richer and
>> clearer perspective.
>
> Indeed.
>
> While this incident can't be characterized as anything less than an atrocity
> and a tragedy...and cannot be condoned, it also did not occur in a vacuum.
>
> It was committed by men who had lost not one, but two and sometimes three
> homes to the persecution by their neighbors in New York, Illinois and
> Missourri. Most of them had lost family members to that persecution, either
> directly or from the trek west. Most of them were missing fingers or toes
> from the frost bite they suffered. Every one of them was very aware that
> Pres. Buchanan was sending an army against them...and that wasn't rumor,
> that was fact. They were all hearing rumors about the Fancher Train, as
> well--that weren't quite so factual. For instance, they were hearing that
> they were harboring a group of men who bragged about being in the mob that
> killed Joseph Smith, had participated in the massacre at Haun's Mill..among
> other things, and they were bragging about coming to Salt Lake to 'finish
> the job."
>
> Well, actually---the Fancher Train WAS harboring men who made those boasts.
> Fortunately for the braggarts, they left the train before it got to Salt
> Lake.
>
> There were rumors, too, about people on the train poisoning a well and
> killing several Indians by doing so.
>
> None of this had anything to do with the Fanchers...but the Fanchers were a
> tad bit annoyed--and rather arrogant, when they stopped at one town where
> they expected to purchase supplies and nobody would sell to them. The
> Mormons had been told to save their supplies for when the US Army came
> through and burned everything.
>
> Indeed, that was the only thing the Fanchers did that could even possibly be
> considered a 'fault.." they were rude--well, make that very rude--to those
> who refused to sell supplies to them. I think that they used the same sort
> of rhetoric that the men who had been riding with them until a few days
> earlier had used. While somewhat unwise, it wasn't a capital offence.
>
> The Fanchers moved on...and sometime between that stop and Mountain Meadows,
> a rider was sent to BY to ask what to do with the train. BY sent an
> answer--to leave them alone. It got there a day too late.
>
> See, the problem with the men who committed this crime was that they had
> been pushed too hard. They'd seen too much, had to deal with too much, had
> been driven out of their homes and lost property and family--life and limb,
> quite literally. Now an army was coming, and all they wanted was to be left
> alone to live their lives and worship in peace. So when they exploded, they
> exploded against the wrong people...and that's the way it happens more often
> than not, come to think of it. The innocent are the ones who get hurt.
>
> The ultimate blame is upon the men who committed the atrocity. I neither
> excuse nor condone it. However, I ALSO blame the folks who drove these men
> from Illinois, and from Missourri. Blame needs to fall on Boggs, and
> Buchannan, and those sons of a Baptist preacher who decided that killing
> seven year olds at Haun's Mill was acceptable. Blame falls on the mob that
> killed Joseph Smith. Buchannan especially deserves blame, because his reason
> for sending the army had very little to do with the Mormons--and EVERYTHING
> to do with trying to save his own political hide; it was a wag the dog ploy
> to deflect attention away from his abysmal mishandling of the southern
> states.
>
> The only people who are NOT to blame for this are the Fanchers--who were
> innocent in pretty much everything, and Brigham Young..the leadership of the
> church, who specifically told the men in the south to leave the train alone.
>
> In fact, nobody comes out of this one clean.
It took a cult mindset with bload oaths against america to perpetrate
the largest terrorist attack against americans until muslims flew
planes into our buildings. Mormonism is directly responsible for the
brutal killings of these inocent women and children, Cults are
dangerous.
