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Your questions seem to indicate that you had a most unfortunate experience
with a Christian. Your are correct in saying that being born again doesn't
change a person's actions. Probably because we continue to be sinners
whether we're born again or not. The only real difference is that a born
again person is quite litterally born again spiritually and they offten do
act as babies. They may act arrogant and pious but that is only because they
are learning to walk the Christian walk and do stumble and fall much like a
baby does as they are first learning to walk.

Spiritually speaking one is completely saved as soon as the confess their
sins, but practially speaking when one is born again they must grow to
become more like Christ, or as the song says, "life in Christ is a thing
that grows, and grows, and grows, and grows, and grows.

Again just like babies. Given the right conditions (Christian fellowship),
nurishment (the Word of God), and time and we born agains, as you put it,
will grow up. I would submit that the Christians you alledgedly had
difficulties with might be neglecting one or more of their basic spiritual
needs.

Sightings 11/30/06

Ted Haggard's "Sin" -- Jon Pahl

Now that some of the dust has settled from the unfortunate fall of
evangelical leader Ted Haggard -- who has confessed to being a "sinner" to
his congregation -- we can achieve some longer-range perspective on what it
all means.

I agree with Martin Marty that Rev. Haggard, along with his family and all
those involved in this scandal, deserves compassion, and one wishes him
peace (see "Considering Ted Haggard's Plight," Sightings, November 6). But
Haggard's letter to his church reveals a truncated understanding of sin and
a failure to recognize how the movement he led as President of the National
Association of Evangelicals is in part responsible for his plight.

Like most evangelicals, Haggard is the theological heir of Saint Augustine,
finding sin in pride and lust. Unlike Augustine, however, Haggard sees
pride and lust as personal attributes. "I alone am responsible," he asserts
in his letter. "I created this entire situation," he reiterates. And yet a
third time he says, "It was created 100 percent by me."

INSIGHTS from Bill Bright Wednesday, November 29, 2006

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What Went Wrong, Part 2

Don't let anyone lead you astray with empty philosophy and
high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the evil
powers of this world, and not from Christ (Colossians 2:8, NLT).

Dear friends:

Humanism has had such a negative impact on our culture that it
deserves special attention. It has impacted every person, and especially
vulnerable and na

Masturbation: A Christian Perspective

'Masturbation is nothing to be ashamed of. It's not something to be
particularly proud of, either.' (Matt Groening)

More... http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/4884.htm

(P.S. A note to those who've seen this post previously: I circulate it about
once a month to some Usenet groups where young people in particular have
questions about this subject and don't know where to turn for answers. Every
time it's posted 1,000+ visit the article to read it. So, you regular Usenet
inhabitants, you don't need to get excited about this repetition - for
whatever reason :-)!!!

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Shalom! Rowland Croucher

'It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know
for sure that just ain't so' (Mark Twain)

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/ - 18,400 articles/ 4000 humour

Lots of "household name" companies quietly donate money to abortion
providers. If you're Christian, why are you buying their products? You
might as well just write Planned Parenthood a check!

It's because you don't know, and the OV logo at www.overus.org is designed
to solve this problem. It's basically a "kosher mark for Christians." See
it on a product? The company promotes Christian values and doesn't make
pro-choice donations.

Take a look..what do you think?

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