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old man joe
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>
> "... and as many as had been appointed to eternal life,
> believed. "
> Acts 13:48
>
> it is the earnest desire of the will worshipers to preach a
> salvation requiring you to be your own co-redeemer. this they do
> by offering some ' sinner's prayer, making a decision for Christ,
> accepting Jesus as one's Lord and Savior, altar calls, to put all
> your trust in Christ ' ... if you'll do any of these good works,
> then God might save you, they preach.
>
> thanks be to God in Christ that salvation comes without first
> doing
> something to earn it... after all, not all are able to earn
> salvation
> with this kind of ' gospel. ' it leaves out aborted fetuses, the
> mentally impaired, and the 4 Bible prophets saved while yet
> fetuses.
>
> these are : Jacob, David, Jeremiah and John the Baptist.
>
> the co-redeemer's gospel has man doing something approved by the
> will worshipers as the prerequisite to salvation the lack of which
> God
> can not save. this makes Jesus Christ a failed Savior since they
> say,
> quite contrary to Holy Scripture, that Christ died for everyone.
> He
> did not and says so Himself... Mt. 7:14; Lk. 13:24; Jn. 17:9
Old man joe continues his nonsense. There is no question that Christ
died for all, it is a truth that is plainly stated in scripture.
However, it is fatal to the doctrine of "limited atonement" that
old man joe embraces.
Paul wrote: "For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus
judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:" [2
Corinthians 5:14]
And also: "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be
made alive." [1 Corinthians 15:22]
Every human is mortal, and dies "in Adam," and the scope of Christ's
salvation is just as comprehensive. Here is another scripture that
shows Christ's death was for every sinner: "But God commendeth his
love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for
us." [Romans 5:8]
So, clearly, Christ died for everyone, even the "chief" of sinners!
[1 Timothy 1:15]
>
> since salvation comes by first being given life, believing
> follows
> next, just as Acts 13:48 records.
>
> one can not ' put all his trust in Jesus ' until after he is
> given
> life by God so that salvation is by the will of God and not by the
> will of man. Jn: 1,12,13.
>
> the will worshipers hate any doctrine which excludes them
> getting a
> pat on the back for their contribution to their salvation... these
> desire to be their own co-redeemer's. in fact, these will
> worshipers have redefined Jn. 3:3 to mean first you understand the
> kingdom of God, then you put all your trust in Jesus, and then
> finally you are ' born from above. '
>
> this actually reverses this verse coming from Jesus who says...
> " unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
> notice the order of salvation according to the Savior and compare
> it
> to the order of salvation preached by will worshipers. their
> preaching rests on being ' born from below. '
>
> their salvation is for the smart only... those without cognitive
> ability due to birth defects or car accidents as well as aborted
> fetuses can not ' put all their trust in Jesus. ' so these are
> left out... when Jesus taught unconditional election in Luke
> Chapter 4 His hearers became so enraged that they tried to throw
> Him over a cliff.
>
> this is the effect the Word of God has on will worshipers
> seeking
> credit for their contribution to their co-redeeming gospel's.
>
> thanks be to God that first He gives life then He gives trusting
> in
> Jesus so that God gets the glory and not smarter than thou man.
