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Author: DougDoug
Date: Sep 7, 2008 19:12
In message <2ip8c493nt4tnka19h318thdg8a40225da@ 4ax.com>
old man joe home.com> wrote:
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> "... and as many as had been appointed to eternal life,
> believed. "
> Acts 13:48
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> it is the earnest desire of the will worshipers to preach a
> salvation requiring you to be your own co...
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Author: DougDoug
Date: Sep 7, 2008 09:05
In message 4ax.com>
old man joe home.com> wrote:
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> the Universalists, in their belief system, claim Christ died for
> everyone.
Paul is the one who said Christ died for all.
2 Corinthians 5:14-15
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that
if one died for all, then were all dead:
And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth
live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose
again.
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> if this was the case, the writer of Hebrews, also speaking
> under
> the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit just as John the
> Baptist,
> made a mistake.
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Author: Randy ®Randy ®
Date: Sep 7, 2008 08:42
On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:33:11 -0400,
in article 4ax.com>,
old man joe home.com> wrote:
> since they're preaching is of a Savior who died for everyone, and
>carried to the cross the sin of unbelief as well, and that everyone is
>certainly not saved, and you have to do a special good work in order
>to be saved which amounts to ' deserved merit ' not
>' undeserved merit, ' you get the glory for being a co-redeemer
>helping Christ save you since He couldn't provide complete atonement.
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Author: Randy ®Randy ®
Date: Sep 7, 2008 08:38
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:14:37 -0400,
in article 4ax.com>,
old man joe home.com> wrote:
> that they, the elect, had nothing at all to do with choosing Christ
>but that " He chose us. " Eph. 1:4 and that this choice of whom
>would be elect is based on the " kind intention of His will, to the
>praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in
>the Beloved. " Eph. 1:5,6.
>
> " freely bestowed " ... not earned by " making a decision for
>Christ " or some " sinners prayer " or any other co-redeeming methods
>dreamed up by blasphemous heretics.
That is correct. Only the elect, whom God chose, will receive
saving faith in Christ, and it will be by faith in Christ's
work, not personal merits, or will (John 1:13; Rom. 9; etc.).
But that does not mean that therefore Christ died only for the
elect, which the Bible nowhere states.
Fact is, even the elect must be saved by objective faith in
the proclaimed word of God, regarding Christ's death and
resurrection for their sins. We are not saved by the arrogant
assumption that somehow...
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Author: Randy ®Randy ®
Date: Sep 7, 2008 08:31
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:15:17 -0400,
in article 4ax.com>,
old man joe home.com> wrote:
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> spoken from the lips of the Son of God Himself, who's words come
>from God the Father Himself ( Jn. 14:24 ) the blood of the Atonement
>for sin made by Jesus " is poured out for " many " for the
>forgiveness of sins. " but not for all.
All is many. And I'm glad you decided to use the word "all",
in contrast to many, because the Bible also says Christ is the
Savior of "all" men, "specially them that believe". Now what
is the limited atonement theory going to do with that verse?
Well, they'll try to insert the word "elect", where it is
nowhere stated. So let's see how that works:
"The Savior of all elect men, especially them elect that
believe"?
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Author: DougDoug
Date: Sep 7, 2008 07:41
In message 4ax.com>
old man joe home.com> wrote:
>
> spoken from the lips of the Son of God Himself, who's words come
> from God the Father Himself ( Jn. 14:24 ) the blood of the
> Atonement
> for sin made by Jesus " is poured out for " many " for the
> forgiveness of sins. " but not for all.
Old man joe's theology says it was not for "all." That is the "L" in
T.U.L.I.P., representing "Limited Atonement." That theology
requires re-defining words of scripture such as "all" and "world"
to mean something other than their plain sense, as old man joe
tries to do below.
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Author: Randy ®Randy ®
Date: Sep 7, 2008 03:53
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 05:18:11 -0400,
in article 4ax.com>,
old man joe home.com> wrote:
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> the Universalists, in their belief system, claim Christ died for
>everyone.
>
> if this was the case, the writer of Hebrews, also speaking under
>the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit just...
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Author: 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Date: Sep 5, 2008 04:59
I shall be away after today till 12/9 vie a train journey to Tenby &
Saundersfoot, thus the
following readings are included for those who are keen to follow the
Daily Bible Readings.
Bible Readings for 5/9
2 Kings 10
Ezekiel 1
2 Corinthians 5-7
Bible Readings for 6/9
2 Kings 11-12
Ezekiel 2
2 Corinthians 8-9
Bible Readings for 7/9
2 Kings 13
Ezekiel 3
2 Corinthians 10-11
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Author: 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Date: Sep 4, 2008 13:47
Congratulations! to those readers who have resolutely continued with the
Daily Readings for the last eight months. For by the end of this month they
will have read almost three-quarters of the Old Testament, and one and a
half times of the New.
May God bless your continued effort and dedication.
Bible Readings for yesterday and today.
2 Kings 9
Lament 5
2 Corinthians 3-4
For those who want to go directly to the source of this study guide,
it can be found at http://www.antipas.org/readings/readings.html
It takes normally between 20-30 mins per day depending on one's reading
speed.
It will be found many unanswered questions which may have seemed puzzling
and "Hard to be understood" are slowly and precisely answered as the Bible
is methodically read through day after day.
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Author: 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Date: Sep 3, 2008 13:05
Congratulations! to those readers who have resolutely continued with the
Daily Readings for the last eight months. For by the end of this month they
will have read almost three-quarters of the Old Testament, and one and a
half times of the New.
May God bless your continued effort and dedication.
Bible Readings for yesterday and today.
2 Kings 8
Lament 4
2 Corinthians 1-2
For those who want to go directly to the source of this study guide,
it can be found at http://www.antipas.org/readings/readings.html
It takes normally between 20-30 mins per day depending on one's reading
speed.
It will be found many unanswered questions which may have seemed puzzling
and "Hard to be understood" are slowly and precisely answered as the Bible
is methodically read through day after day.
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