NONE of the five self proclaimed "living guardians" who came after the
passing of Shoghi Effendi, obeyed the explicit text of the Will and
Testament of Abdu'l-Baha when making their claims to be guardians.

Shoghi Effendi states requirements of a true Baha'i
believer:"Qualification of a believer . . . unreserved acceptance of,
and submission to, whatsoever has been revealed by their (the Bab,
Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha) Pen, loyal and steadfast adherence to
EVERY CLAUSE of our Beloved's sacred will." in Baha'i Administration,
p. 90

As for the interpretation of the statement that this is the Day which
shall not be followed by night, it refers to the reality that Abdu'l-
Baha followed Baha'u'llah. As Shoghi Effendi states on page 151 of The
World Order of Baha'u'llah

There is a huge oversight by you as well, dear John, and that is that
per the will and testmant of Husayn A'li Nari himself Abbas Effendi
himself is a violator, and hence his appointing an "institution of
guardians" completely bogus and illegal from the get go. Per that
document, after Abbas Effendi, Mirza Muhammad 'Ali is the rightful
second successor and hence centre of the (bogus) covenant of Husayn
'Ali Nari. A simple as that. Per that same document, Abbas Effendi had
no implied or explicit authority to expel any member of his extended
family as violators or otherwise. While the effective leadership of
Mirza Muhammad 'Ali was only to take effect as of the passing of Abbas
Effendi; however the actual centreship of any (bogus) covenant of
Husayn 'Ali Nari rested in both Muhammad 'Ali and Abbas Effendi
simultaneously; with one exercising de jure leadership during his
lifetime, while the other would exercise the same after the first's.
Simple as that. So, given this, the entire (bogus) covenant that stems
from Abbas Effendi and extends back to his father is tout court
disputable, illegal and bogus; and thus from the point of view of the
violation of the Covenant of the Essence of the Letters, His Holiness
the Point, that occured by Husayn 'Ali Nari and his kin vis-a-vis Subh-
i-Azal, the Mirror, raises the very legitimacy of bahaism tout court ...

1) I fail to see any statement in the first posting to demonstrate
that Joel B. Marangella has disobeyed the Will and Testament, but
merely a conclusory statement.

2) As for the second posting's argument that Mirza Muhammad 'Ali was
to succeed `Abdu'l-Bah

the

Dear Vahid,

Your interpretation of historic events is interesting, and I would say
it was in keeping with someone who does believe in the Bab and in
Azal, but not in Baha'u'llah, let alone in 'Abdu'l-Baha or the rest of
the Covenant. Am I correct in this? In other words, you aren't a
Baha'iat all but an Azali. In fact your name has Azal in it. Are you
a descendant of Subh-i-Azal?

On Jul 23, 8:22 am, Suzanne ntlworld.com> wrote:

"Azali" was a pejorative term of derision coined by Abbas Effendi, not
one which either His Holiness the Point or the Mirror of Pre-Eternity
used. Incidentally, neither did the profit of bahaism use this
derisive term either. The gnostic religion revealed to the Essence of
the Letters, His Holiness the Point, is called the "Bayan" and hence
whomsoever is an initiate-believer of this gnostic religion is a
Bayani, not an "Azali". Please remember that.

I am a descendent of the 17th Letter of the Living, Her Holiness the
Tree of Splendor (shajaratu'l-baha') Tahirih Qurrat'ul-'Ayn.

W

In article <1185142932.829515.303770@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Suzanne ntlworld.com> wrote:

Dear Suzanne,
"Wahid Azal" is Nima Hazini, a fairly well-known ex-Baha'i with an axe
to grind, under one of his newer pseudonyms.

--Sekhmet

And you are a Haifan Bahaim cultist firmly put in your place, with the
following:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2540441001807010408&hl=en-CA

The axe has been ground and now firmly lodged into your backs.

W

PS - The name Wahid Azal is not a pseudonym either. It is my legal
name.

W

www.wahidazal.com

I see nothing at all pejorative in the name "Azali". It simply means
the followers of Azal, which obviously wasn't the given name of Mirza
Yahya but a rather exalted title. As I'm sure you know Subh-i-Azal
means "morning of eternity." How do you see being a follower of
eternity as being a pejorative?

Calling yourselves Bayanis, however, implies you are more followers of
the Bab than of Azal. Is this correct?

Incidentally, how many "Bayanis" are there? Do you have any holy
buildings or Holy Scriptures besides the Writings of the Bab?

Kind regards,

Suzanne

gion is a

Tahirih was absolutely amazing in her knowledge, wisdom, courage, love
and devotion. It must be an inspiration to your life to have such a
noble ancestor.

Suzanne