> aol.com> wrote:

>> ... Sherrie who sent a link about a Cockfighting
>> film. Thanks for link. I also saw they re-released
>> it as Born to Kill with nude-dream scenes, etc.,
>> to make it marketable. Imagine the cheers as
>> cocks engage...

> I think you might've gotten a hold of a porn film
> there. Probably to be expected, given your sources
> and your obsessions. As a kid I enjoyed watching
> cockfights: I used to go walking all over the place
> and eventually ended up in what looked like the
> world's tiniest stadium (turned out to be a cock-
> fighting stage). Fell in love with it right away: The
> sounds, the people betting, the birds were weirder-
> looking than any chicken I'd ever seen before. And
> the bouts were incredible/spectacular: the bird-
> owners would sic he two birds at each other a few
> times (this was done more than anything to give
> the audience time to place all their bets down) and
> then they'd let go of the birds... which instantly
> flew at each other and in a flurry of flying feathers
> and screaming cackles kicked & slashed at each other
> -- midair! -- like rippling Spanish Dancers (the
> famous hexabranchus sanguineus). I don't know
> how man can get blamed for cocks fighting (all
> cocks fight). At best you can say that betting is
> against the Puritan(ical) tendencies of many
> Americans (cock-fighting is quite legal and a grand
> tradition in most other parts of the world, and
> illegal even here only recently). You could say
> that organized (by man) cock-fights must have
> been a matter of opportunity taken up by men (as
> man is an opportunistic animal).

> I can't remember anything bloody about what I saw,
> the fight was over when the owner of the bird that
> seemed to be losing picked his bird up. And the bird
> itself signaled he was losing by being chased around.
> I can't imagine that these people would let a valuable
> (and really loved pet) like their pride and joy champs
> fight to the death (since, in any case, it would be
> pointless... given that it was obvious who the winner
> and loser were as soon as one of the birds "gave up").

> I've never seen a dog fight, but I don't think I would
> want to, even though I've read that the dogs bred for
> this sort of sport are bred for an even looser skin
> which can be bitten without it doing a lot of damage
> to its owner: Dogs are just too savage--even the
> mere sound of growling is enough to conjure up
> terrible emotions in us of when we were much frailer
> and defenceless monkeys up in the highest branches.
> But I don't really much care for boxing, for example:
> I can't imagine anything more brutal (all my life I've
> tried to keep other guys from punching me to prevent
> brain-damage... and from the earliest developed a
> powerful punch myself because, let's face it, "to give
> is better than to receive" ...at least, brain-damage).

> I suppose you can make anything out of anything. But
> I've seen documentaries of hen slaughterhouses and,
> baby, it's something out of the worst kind of Hell
> imaginable. I've heard tales about what goes on in
> cattle slaughterhouses which have inspired in me a
> horror so great it's made me wonder what a visiting
> being from another planet might think of this one,
> and its carnivorous apes! But I'm still eating beef.
> I'm still a carnivorous ape. I think those people who
> like to pass themselves off as vegetarians are like
> a sick mental patient who eats nothing but worms
> ... he won't starve, but I think he's missing a great
> deal passing up the occasional pizza. Our marrow-
> sucking era is over. And if you look at the world of
> ruminants and the world of carnivores it's pretty
> obvious to which world omnivores like man/chimps
> (and pigs/et al) would prefer to belong.

>> Football/boxing do not have obvious goals like
>> death. Dog/cock/bull fighting do.

> I can't speak about dogfighting. But bull-fighting
> (as I have seen it on TV) is certainly nothing like
> the infamous tales of cows being hammered again
> and again in slaughterhouses I've heard. And if
> you've never understood a typical American rodeo,
> let me assure you that the horses and bulls don't
> "buck" because they enjoy the applause... it's usually
> the "tickler" cattle prod or their penises being hard-
> pincered (or note that the animals keep bucking LONG
> after the riders have jumped off). And yet we don't
> see these sportsmen being certed off to prison along
> with Mr. Vick. This is hypocricy at best, at worst it
> is a terrific miscarriage of justice against Mr. Vick
> by capricious/arbitrary post-Puritan)ical) bastards.

>> Each fight seems a variation on a theme: "mine is
>> bigger" and the winner lives.

> This is a typical female obsession about why men do
> the things they do. Men don't obsess HALF as much
> as women about penis size (outside of the first few
> times in the school shower). If you're really
> interested in why men do the things they do (and
> women do the things they do)... study the work of
> Jane Goodall on Chimps. This will tell you why men
> and women find it so difficult to talk with each
> other.

>> This outcome explains to me why female
>> footballers/boxers seem odd

> Yes, I myself wonder why there aren't more 400-
> pound women linemen in the NFL ... and boxers?
> My goodness, think of how much trouble a 90-pound
> woman with a 70-pound set of tits would have given
> Mohammed Ali!!!!!

>> because theirs is never bigger nor do they need to
>> prove that, nor do they need to seek slamming to
>> the same extent.

> Lady, take my advice, please: A Freudian is what you
> need. He or she'll straighten you right out.

>> Pit bulls and bulls have conspicuous genitalia.

> HOW did you graduate junior high school with your
> brains so creeped out with all your sexual images?!?

>> Roosters are rightly named; female dogs are
>> titled: bitch by many breeders.

> And why, pray tell, did they ever come to name clouds
> "clouds?"

>> Animals serving as avatars for those guys less
>> endowed make sense to them. I imagined Vick noticing
>> he was such an avatar and acting to displace that
>> view.

> Did you also imagine him hot-wiring cars and purse-
> snatching? And if you didn't, WHY NOT?!?!?!

>> The kill-cheers at all such events are telling. It
>> is not about the dogs.;>

> You ARE talking about dog-fighting, I hope.

>> Contrast such with golf, duels, etc., where silence
>> reigns and skill plus brains matter. Jeanne

> AND tight-rope walking, even though th Ring Master
> always prods (ha!) the crowd to holler at him when
> he's midway across the rope.

> Lady, lady, leggo of my leg, lady!

> On Aug 29, 11:42 pm, "jeannek...@aol.com"
>
> aol.com> wrote:

>> ... Sherrie who sent a link about a Cockfighting
>> film. Thanks for link. I also saw they re-released
>> it as Born to Kill with nude-dream scenes, etc.,
>> to make it marketable. Imagine the cheers as
>> cocks engage...

>
> I think you might've gotten a hold of a porn film
> there. Probably to be expected, given your sources
> and your obsessions. As a kid I enjoyed watching
> cockfights: I used to go walking all over the place
> and eventually ended up in what looked like the
> world's tiniest stadium (turned out to be a cock-
> fighting stage). Fell in love with it right away: The
> sounds, the people betting, the birds were weirder-
> looking than any chicken I'd ever seen before. And
> the bouts were incredible/spectacular: the bird-
> owners would sic he two birds at each other a few
> times (this was done more than anything to give
> the audience time to place all their bets down) and
> then they'd let go of the birds... which instantly
> flew at each other and in a flurry of flying feathers
> and screaming cackles kicked & slashed at each other
> -- midair! -- like rippling Spanish Dancers (the
> famous hexabranchus sanguineus). I don't know
> how man can get blamed for cocks fighting (all
> cocks fight). At best you can say that betting is
> against the Puritan(ical) tendencies of many
> Americans (cock-fighting is quite legal and a grand
> tradition in most other parts of the world, and
> illegal even here only recently). You could say
> that organized (by man) cock-fights must have
> been a matter of opportunity taken up by men (as
> man is an opportunistic animal).
>
> I can't remember anything bloody about what I saw,
> the fight was over when the owner of the bird that
> seemed to be losing picked his bird up. And the bird
> itself signaled he was losing by being chased around.
> I can't imagine that these people would let a valuable
> (and really loved pet) like their pride and joy champs
> fight to the death (since, in any case, it would be
> pointless... given that it was obvious who the winner
> and loser were as soon as one of the birds "gave up").
>
> I've never seen a dog fight, but I don't think I would
> want to, even though I've read that the dogs bred for
> this sort of sport are bred for an even looser skin
> which can be bitten without it doing a lot of damage
> to its owner: Dogs are just too savage--even the
> mere sound of growling is enough to conjure up
> terrible emotions in us of when we were much frailer
> and defenceless monkeys up in the highest branches.
> But I don't really much care for boxing, for example:
> I can't imagine anything more brutal (all my life I've
> tried to keep other guys from punching me to prevent
> brain-damage... and from the earliest developed a
> powerful punch myself because, let's face it, "to give
> is better than to receive" ...at least, brain-damage).
>
> I suppose you can make anything out of anything. But
> I've seen documentaries of hen slaughterhouses and,
> baby, it's something out of the worst kind of Hell
> imaginable. I've heard tales about what goes on in
> cattle slaughterhouses which have inspired in me a
> horror so great it's made me wonder what a visiting
> being from another planet might think of this one,
> and its carnivorous apes! But I'm still eating beef.
> I'm still a carnivorous ape. I think those people who
> like to pass themselves off as vegetarians are like
> a sick mental patient who eats nothing but worms
> ... he won't starve, but I think he's missing a great
> deal passing up the occasional pizza. Our marrow-
> sucking era is over. And if you look at the world of
> ruminants and the world of carnivores it's pretty
> obvious to which world omnivores like man/chimps
> (and pigs/et al) would prefer to belong.
>

>> Football/boxing do not have obvious goals like
>> death. Dog/cock/bull fighting do.

>
> I can't speak about dogfighting. But bull-fighting
> (as I have seen it on TV) is certainly nothing like
> the infamous tales of cows being hammered again
> and again in slaughterhouses I've heard. And if
> you've never understood a typical American rodeo,
> let me assure you that the horses and bulls don't
> "buck" because they enjoy the applause... it's usually
> the "tickler" cattle prod or their penises being hard-
> pincered (or note that the animals keep bucking LONG
> after the riders have jumped off). And yet we don't
> see these sportsmen being certed off to prison along
> with Mr. Vick. This is hypocricy at best, at worst it
> is a terrific miscarriage of justice against Mr. Vick
> by capricious/arbitrary post-Puritan)ical) bastards.
>

>> Each fight seems a variation on a theme: "mine is
>> bigger" and the winner lives.

>
> This is a typical female obsession about why men do
> the things they do. Men don't obsess HALF as much
> as women about penis size (outside of the first few
> times in the school shower). If you're really
> interested in why men do the things they do (and
> women do the things they do)... study the work of
> Jane Goodall on Chimps. This will tell you why men
> and women find it so difficult to talk with each
> other.
>

>> This outcome explains to me why female
>> footballers/boxers seem odd

>
> Yes, I myself wonder why there aren't more 400-
> pound women linemen in the NFL ... and boxers?
> My goodness, think of how much trouble a 90-pound
> woman with a 70-pound set of tits would have given
> Mohammed Ali!!!!!
>

>> because theirs is never bigger nor do they need to
>> prove that, nor do they need to seek slamming to
>> the same extent.

>
> Lady, take my advice, please: A Freudian is what you
> need. He or she'll straighten you right out.
>

>> Pit bulls and bulls have conspicuous genitalia.

>
> HOW did you graduate junior high school with your
> brains so creeped out with all your sexual images?!?
>

>> Roosters are rightly named; female dogs are
>> titled: bitch by many breeders.

>
> And why, pray tell, did they ever come to name clouds
> "clouds?"
>

>> Animals serving as avatars for those guys less
>> endowed make sense to them. I imagined Vick noticing
>> he was such an avatar and acting to displace that
>> view.

>
> Did you also imagine him hot-wiring cars and purse-
> snatching? And if you didn't, WHY NOT?!?!?!
>

>> The kill-cheers at all such events are telling. It
>> is not about the dogs.;>

>
> You ARE talking about dog-fighting, I hope.
>

>> Contrast such with golf, duels, etc., where silence
>> reigns and skill plus brains matter. Jeanne

>
> AND tight-rope walking, even though th Ring Master
> always prods (ha!) the crowd to holler at him when
> he's midway across the rope.
>
> Lady, lady, leggo of my leg, lady!
>
> S D Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://mp3s.sdrodrian...
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
>
>
>
>

>> On Aug 29, 1:10?pm, Sherrie Lee
>> yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> On Aug 28, 9:34?pm, kevirwin
>> comcast.net> wrote:

>

>>>On Aug 28, 11:36 pm, turtoni
>>>fastmail.net> wrote:

>

>>>> "From an animal welfare standpoint, dog
>>>> fighting is one of the most
>>>> serious forms of animal abuse, not only for
>>>> the violence that the dogs
>>>> endure during and after the fights, but
>>>> because they often suffer
>>>> their entire lives. At least one major study
>>>> alleges that the
>>>> prevailing mind set among dog fighters is
>>>> that, the more the dog
>>>> suffers, the tougher he will become,

>
> Is this the same mind-set which sez the same
> thing about people's life-experience? Because
> every time they interview some guy who's just
> survived some horrible experience first thing he
> claims is that it's made him stronger--!
>
> "Things are only unique up until
> they show you the rest of'em." --SDR
>

>>>> and the better fighter he will
>>>> therefore be. This position and the
>>>> resulting treatment afforded the
>>>> dogs stand in stark contrast with prevailing
>>>> public values regarding
>>>> the treatment of dogs in many modern societies.

>
> Are those the ones with millions of uninsured
> children suffering unimaginable distress, agonies, and
> misery because bleeding-heart dog lovers don't
> really have a heart or a soul.... just an
> incomprehensible love for their "fellow" dogs?
>
> Gimme a barbarous primitive society every time,
> then.
>

>>>> In addition to the controversial treatment a
>>>> dog receives when he has
>>>> potential as a fighter, according to a filing
>>>> in U.S. District Court
>>>> in Richmond by federal investigators in
>>>> Virginia, which was obtained
>>>> under the Freedom of Information Act and
>>>> published by the Baltimore
>>>> Sun on July 6, 2007, a losing dog or one
>>>> whose potential is considered
>>>> unacceptable faces "being put to death by
>>>> drowning, strangulation,
>>>> hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some
>>>> other method"

>
> Wow! Just like a cow. I suppose now you will join
> the armies of Americans protesting MacDonald's!!!
> Hoorah for all you hypocrites!
>
>
>
>
>

>>>> There is a public safety issue associated
>>>> with training dogs to be
>>>> aggressive fighters. In St. Helens, England,
>>>> on January 1, 2007, 5-
>>>> year-old Ellie Lawrenson was mauled to death
>>>> at her grandmother's home
>>>> by a "pit bull terrier-type dog" allegedly bred
>>>> by her uncle for the
>>>> dog fighting ring. According to the BBC,
>>>> post-mortem tests revealed
>>>> she died of severe head and neck injuries.
>>>> When authorities arrived,
>>>> they discovered that the grandmother had
>>>> managed to lock the dog
>>>> outside, but had herself suffered injuries to
>>>> tendons in her arm, and
>>>> wounds to her thumb and elbow.

>
> The number of dog bites by dogs "trained or bred
> for dog-fighting" is an insignificant droplet in the
> ocean of annual dogs-biting-man. And still there is no
> clamor for banning these dangerous animals from
> human society!
>
> American cities exist at the bottom of a sea of
> dog crap in all its city streets--And this is soft
> dog crap: When it dies and becomes incorporated
> into the city dust, I doubt there is a human being
> who is not breathing it in& out constantly. Every
> year the incidence of asthma increases exponentially
> ... along with the dog & cat population. Can it all
> really be just a weird coincidence?
> ...
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