On Apr 1, 1:17 pm, "Meldon Fens" meldon.com> wrote:

I dont waste time on ad hominums or characterizing the comments of
others, but limit myself to the most reliable data I have.

In this case, the document you refer to may claim antiquity, but lying
with documents still goes on. I've read that the texts found when the
Jews returned from Babylon that claimed this antiquity, were, in fact,
all written in the ecclesiastic language of the era in which they were
found. Kinda like claiming you have an original Shakespearian play,
but written in modern English.

Secondly, the Zoroastrian texts themselves plagiarized much earlier
documents like the Vedas. That part of Central Asia, which is now
desert, was fertile grassland over 5000 years ago, and had a very
dynamic trading culture. which has been revealed by the satellite
radar scans that detect the compressed earth from eons of travel on
the trade routes.

A couple things to bear in mind about merchants. It helps to be
literate. You need to maintain the inventory and taking along a
shopping list or list of the value of various commodities encountered
along the way helps. But along the way, you stop every nite, and one
of the things to do, which is still done, is to peruse texts. which
include, as they still do, narratives.

But what was remarkable here was that the narratives were collected in
the various cultures along the way, and those with the most powerful
intellectual and emotional impact were copied; often into different
languages. But among this prehistoric merchant class there was a
lingua franca: Proto-Indo-European. And of course, some of those
documents were copied in Babylon by those we know as the Jews who
returned to Israel.

Among them, most obviously, is the manifest plagiarism of Gilgamesh
retold as the story of Noah and the Great Flood. But- the earliest
copy of the Great Flood we have, is not from some riverine Semetic
culture, but from the Mitanni. Who were an *Aryan* upland horse
culture in what is now Northern Iran and Iraq. WTF are they doing with
a great flood myth?

Well, if you read "Noah's Flood" by Ryan & Pitman, you find out there
really was a "Great Flood"- in 5600 BC of the world's greatest
agrarian culture, during which the Euxine lake doubled in size to
become what we know as the Black Sea.

This answers a great debate that has gone on for 100 years; Nobody
could find the original homeland of the Aryans. But nobody until
recently thot to look on the bottom of the Black Sea. Ballard, and his
Titanic team did, and say they found the signs of a settlement off the
coast of Sinope.

Its reasonable to ask how this historical event was recorded. But if
you surf Bulgaria and Romania, you will see samples of Aryan writing
on Vinca pottery and a cave wall that is 7000 years old. When they
left- some were driven East by the rising water, they took writing
with them.

And, among other things, founded a great city in what is now the Kara
Kum, which predates the pyramids. That also was found recently by the
radar scans of the trade routes that radiated out from it. One of the
artifacts recovered, from 2400 BC, was a cylindar seal with icons that
are found on Aryan pottery dug up in Romania.

There is much more past than anyone imagined Meldon; not much of it
discussed because so many archeologists and historians have so much
intellectual turf in the Holy Land, and do not want people distracted.
You will however, be hearing and reading more about it. The violence
in the mid East has driven archeologists to dig more in SE Europe, the
Kara Kum, and Taklamakhan deserts.

The Chinese have become most cooperative. It was disconcerting to them
when they began digging white people up out of Tocharian graves, or
finding their bodies from 4000 years ago in the desert, but now that
is spurring tourism... in an area that is not bothered with Islamic
fanatics shooting at folks.