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Author: Citizen JimseracCitizen Jimserac Date: Nov 25, 2007 00:07
On Nov 24, 2:23 pm, Bob LeChevalier lojban.org> wrote:> CitizenJimserac gmail.com> wrote:>>May I inquire of your opinion on this "Golden Compass"
>>movie. I've heard that some religious group (s?) is/are
>>up in arms over it. What is the big hullabaloo
>>all about? From the looks of the previews, the visuals
>>are beautiful.
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> I have no idea about the movie. I can comment on the book. The
> trilogy was originally marketed as kid books because the main
> character is a pre-adolescent girl, and several of the ideas
> introduced in the first book seemed to be designed to appeal to a
> younger imagination (talking armored polar bears, kids that have a
> personal animal "familiar" that reflects their personality, etc). But
> the language is rather difficult for kids books - a goodly number of
> big words that aren't in common dictionaries or which coined from
> greek roots. More importantly, the books are extremely heavy with
> allegory and symbolism based on numerous medieval theological and
> philosophical concepts - not all of which I understood. Understanding
> the story at the deepest level apparently requires familiarity with ...
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Author: Wide Eyed in WonderWide Eyed in Wonder Date: Nov 25, 2007 15:29
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>>>>>>> On Nov 21, 8:36 am, Citizen Jimserac gmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>>>>> That INCLUDES re-taking the school
>>>>>>>> system from whatever the hell
>>>>>>>> has controlled and subverted
>>>>>>>> it for decades now - all explained
>>>>>>>> in Gatto's book.
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Author: Wide Eyed in WonderWide Eyed in Wonder Date: Nov 25, 2007 15:32
On Nov 24, 1:52 am, Bob LeChevalier lojban.org> wrote:> Wide Eyed in Wonder hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>On Nov 21, 12:49 pm, Bob LeChevalier lojban.org> wrote:>>> Wide Eyed in Wonder hotmail.com> wrote:>
>>>>> I further stated (not suggested) my opinion that you are entirely
>>>>> incapable of teaching about religion without promoting or celebrating
>>>>> one religion over another.
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>>>>Yes...your OPINION in contradiction to the NEA posted article.
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>>> The NEA article did not say anything about the capabilities of Kennie
>>> Clifton, the self-appointed Christian Superdunce.
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>>>>>>I asked you to provide evidence that I have
>>>>>>EVER, in many years posting online, said this. Still waiting...
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Author: Bob LeChevalierBob LeChevalier Date: Nov 25, 2007 19:27
Wide Eyed in Wonder yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>> Upon what, then, do YOU base the rise in belief in Intelligent
>>>>> Design?
>>
>>>> The same thing I credit for ths rise of such things as superoxygenated water,
>>>> homeopathy, magnetic water purifiers, chupacabras, subliminal self-help tapes,
>>>> the New Age, and MegaDik [tm] Penis Enlargement pills.
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Author: Wide Eyed in WonderWide Eyed in Wonder Date: Nov 26, 2007 16:41
On Nov 25, 12:27 pm, Bob LeChevalier lojban.org> wrote:> Wide Eyed in Wonder yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Upon what, then, do YOU base the rise in belief in Intelligent
>>>>>> Design?
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>>>>> The same thing I credit for ths rise of such things as superoxygenated water,
>>>>> homeopathy, magnetic water purifiers, chupacabras, subliminal self-help tapes,
>>>>> the New Age, and MegaDik [tm] Penis Enlargement pills.
>>>> So, what...you are saying they aren't teaching enough evolution to
>>>> the kids, since the kids aren't believing it, or are you saying the
>>>> kids are REJECTing it, just as I said?
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>>> Neither.
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>>> I'm answering your silly question, as to the what the alleged ...
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Author: Bob LeChevalierBob LeChevalier Date: Nov 26, 2007 20:05
Wide Eyed in Wonder yahoo.com> wrote:>On Nov 25, 12:27 pm, Bob LeChevalier lojban.org> wrote:>> Wide Eyed in Wonder yahoo.com> wrote:>>>> I'm answering your silly question, as to the what the alleged
>>>> "rise in belief in Intelligent Design" might arise from, to
>>>> wit: ignorance, intellectual sloppiness, and sheer gulibility.
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>>>Ok. I see that you think the kids are ignorant, sloppy, and gullible.
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>> If they weren't ignorant, there would be no need to attend school.
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>> If they needed no training to intellectual acuity, they could educate
>> themselves.
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>> If they weren't prone to believe most of what their elders tell them,
>> without question, there would be no Santa Claus nor Easter Bunny.
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>Or, evolution...you hope.
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Author: Wide Eyed in WonderWide Eyed in Wonder Date: Nov 28, 2007 16:31
On Nov 26, 1:05 pm, Bob LeChevalier lojban.org> wrote:> Wide Eyed in Wonder yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>On Nov 25, 12:27 pm, Bob LeChevalier lojban.org> wrote:>>> Wide Eyed in Wonder yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>> I'm answering your silly question, as to the what the alleged
>>>>> "rise in belief in Intelligent Design" might arise from, to
>>>>> wit: ignorance, intellectual sloppiness, and sheer gulibility.
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>>>>Ok. I see that you think the kids are ignorant, sloppy, and gullible.
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>>> If they weren't ignorant, there would be no need to attend school.
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>>> If they needed no training to intellectual acuity, they could educate
>>> themselves.
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>>> If they weren't prone to believe most of what their elders tell them,
>>> without question, there would be no Santa Claus nor Easter Bunny. ...
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Author: Bob LeChevalierBob LeChevalier Date: Nov 28, 2007 19:14
Wide Eyed in Wonder yahoo.com> wrote:>> Evolution is not a matter of belief. Unlike Santa Claus and the
>> Easter Bunny (and Jesus Christ for that matter), there is
>> independently-verifiable scientific evidence.
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>There are many verified evidences of God,
Not one.
>miracles with medical documents of healings and such.
There is no way to prove that God did it. They aren't predictable,
since for every such healing, there are millions of people who pray
and who are NOT healed.
>You may not want to integrity the authority of the doctor,
I have no idea what that sentence is supposed to mean.
>just as many deny the integrity of those scientists that claim evolution is occurring.
They can deny whatever they want. Evolution will still occur despite
their denial.
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Author: Wide Eyed in WonderWide Eyed in Wonder Date: Nov 28, 2007 22:36
On Nov 28, 12:14 pm, Bob LeChevalier lojban.org> wrote:> Wide Eyed in Wonder yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Evolution is not a matter of belief. Unlike Santa Claus and the
>>> Easter Bunny (and Jesus Christ for that matter), there is
>>> independently-verifiable scientific evidence.
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>>There are many verified evidences of God,
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> Not one.
>
>>miracles with medical documents of healings and such.
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> There is no way to prove that God did it. They aren't predictable,
> since for every such healing, there are millions of people who pray
> and who are NOT healed.
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Author: Bob LeChevalierBob LeChevalier Date: Nov 28, 2007 22:47
Wide Eyed in Wonder yahoo.com> wrote:>> There is no way to prove that God did it. They aren't predictable,
>> since for every such healing, there are millions of people who pray
>> and who are NOT healed.
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>Do you have proof that ALL species are evolved,
We don't even have a list of all species.
or do you take
>specific examples and apply it to all of them?
Occam's Razor and the lack of any alternative theory.
>If you do that, why do
>you use a different standard and require ALL to be healed to prove
>there is a healer?
I don't. I require that it be predictable in advance using
independently verifiable indicators which ones will be healed and
which ones won't, within a specifiable error range.
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