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Author: Sid9Sid9 Date: Aug 23, 2007 09:00
August 23, 2007
'Free Iraq' Is Within Reach, Bush Declares
By JIM RUTENBERG, SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and MARK MAZZETTI
KANSAS CITY, Mo., Aug. 22 - President Bush delivered a rousing defense of
his Iraq policy on Wednesday, telling a group of veterans that "a free Iraq"
is within reach and warning that if Americans succumb to "the allure of
retreat," they will witness death and suffering of the sort not seen since
the Vietnam War.
"Then as now, people argued that the real problem was America's presence and
that if we would just withdraw, the killing would end," Mr. Bush declared in
a 45-minute speech before a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention here. He
added, "The world would learn just how costly these misimpressions would
be."
In urging Americans to stay the course in Iraq, Mr. Bush is challenging the
historical memory that the pullout from Vietnam had few negative
repercussions for the United States and its allies.
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Date: Aug 23, 2007 09:44
On Aug 23, 3:00 am, "Sid9" bellsouth.net> wrote:> August 23, 2007
> 'Free Iraq' Is Within Reach, Bush Declares
> By JIM RUTENBERG, SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and MARK MAZZETTI
> KANSAS CITY, Mo., Aug. 22 - President Bush delivered a rousing defense of
> his Iraq policy on Wednesday, telling a group of veterans that "a free Iraq"
> is within reach and warning that if Americans succumb to "the allure of
> retreat," they will witness death and suffering of the sort not seen since
> the Vietnam War.
>
> "Then as now, people argued that the real problem was America's presence and
> that if we would just withdraw, the killing would end," Mr. Bush declared in
> a 45-minute speech before a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention here. He
> added, "The world would learn just how costly these misimpressions would
> be."
>
> In urging Americans to stay the course in Iraq, Mr. Bush is challenging the
> historical memory that the pullout from Vietnam had few negative
> repercussions for the United States and its allies.
> ...
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Author: PerfectlyAblePerfectlyAble Date: Aug 23, 2007 10:36
On Aug 23, 7:44 pm, rayadap...@ yahoo.com wrote: > On Aug 23, 3:00 am, "Sid9" bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>>> August 23, 2007
>> 'Free Iraq' Is Within Reach, Bush Declares
>> By JIM RUTENBERG, SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and MARK MAZZETTI
>> KANSAS CITY, Mo., Aug. 22 - President Bush delivered a rousing defense of
>> his Iraq policy on Wednesday, telling a group of veterans that "a free Iraq"
>> is within reach and warning that if Americans succumb to "the allure of
>> retreat," they will witness death and suffering of the sort not seen since
>> the Vietnam War.
>
>> "Then as now, people argued that the real problem was America's presence and
>> that if we would just withdraw, the killing would end," Mr. Bush declared in
>> a 45-minute speech before a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention here. He
>> added, "The world would learn just how costly these misimpressions would
>> be."
> ...
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Author: GoMavsGoMavs Date: Aug 23, 2007 11:10
pulling out of Vietnam brought the death of millions of people.. that's the
comparison.
yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1187855085.939266.63520@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...> On Aug 23, 3:00 am, "Sid9" bellsouth.net> wrote:>> August 23, 2007
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Author: Sid9Sid9 Date: Aug 23, 2007 14:27
Pulling out of Vietnam was a victory
of sanity for the United States.
America stopped bleeding.
Vietnam was a colonial war where
the Vietnamese gained control of
their own lives without the interference
from a Western power.
In our anti-communist zeal we over
looked the more significant anti-colonial
movement world wide
Today Vietnam is our trading partner.
58,000 American need not have
died for dead Western colonialism.
GoMavs wrote:
> pulling out of Vietnam brought the death of millions of people..
> that's the comparison.
>
>
> yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1187855085.939266.63520@i38g2000prf.googlegroups...
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Author: Mitchell HolmanMitchell Holman Date: Aug 23, 2007 14:38
"GoMavs" Mavericks.com> wrote in news:jaczi.5773$iA.290@trnddc05:
> pulling out of Vietnam brought the death of millions of people.. that's
> the comparison.
>
Actually, it was going INTO Vietnam that killed
millions of people.
Do you think the US should still be fighting in
Vietnam?
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Author: P.HenryP.Henry Date: Aug 23, 2007 14:47
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:10:39 GMT, GoMavs wrote:
> pulling out of Vietnam brought the death of millions of people.. that's the
> comparison.
>
It's not a valid comparison.
>> On Aug 23, 3:00 am, "Sid9" bellsouth.net> wrote:>>> August 23, 2007
>>> 'Free Iraq'...
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Date: Aug 23, 2007 15:27
"GoMavs" Mavericks.com> wrote in news:jaczi.5773$iA.290@trnddc05:
> pulling out of Vietnam brought the death of millions of people..
> that's the comparison.
Turning the country back over to the French after WWII, propping up the
French until they were kicked out, not allowing free elections afterward,
and going into to support a corrupt regime got millions killed. Again,
we were trying to referee a civil war with history and culture against
us. Westerners with a history going back only two hundred years going up
against cultures and traditions that have been around for a millenium or
more, with the attitude that we know what is best for them strikes me as
nationlistic egocentrism running out of control.
>> On Aug 23, 3:00 am, "Sid9" bellsouth.net> wrote:>>> August 23, 2007
>>> 'Free Iraq'...
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Author: Baldin Lee PramerBaldin Lee Pramer Date: Aug 23, 2007 16:03
On Aug 23, 3:10 am, "GoMavs" Mavericks.com> wrote:> pulling out of Vietnam brought the death of millions of people.. that's the
> comparison.
Right, and the same thing would happen in Iraq if we pulled out now.
The problem is, it will happen whenever we pull out. The big question
is, how do we pull out in a way that seems honorable and can give no
appearance of having been defeated?
BLP
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Author: Sid9Sid9 Date: Aug 23, 2007 16:09
Baldin Lee Pramer wrote:
> On Aug 23, 3:10 am, "GoMavs" Mavericks.com> wrote:>> pulling out of Vietnam brought the death of millions of people..
>> that's the comparison.
>
> Right, and the same thing would happen in Iraq if we pulled out now.
> The problem is, it will happen whenever we pull out. The big question
> is, how do we pull out in a way that seems honorable and can give no
> appearance of having been defeated?
>
> BLP
bush,jr got us into this morass.
He needs to accept responsibility for the pull out.
There is NO good way out.
The nearest thing is what Murtha proposed.
The least worst way out
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