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Author: BolwerkBolwerk Date: Jun 9, 2007 13:27
George Conklin wrote:
>> On Jun 9, 1:18 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" verizon.net> wrote:>>> On Jun 9, 9:31 am, "George Conklin" earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:f4dadj$fha$1@reader2.panix.com...>>>>> Congestion pricing is a misnomer. This is a vendetta on
> automobiles.
>>>> It is a vendetta on automobiles ONLY for the average person. The
> limousine
>>>> liberal will have no problems.
>>> What the fuck is a "limousine liberal," conky? It's now obvious to
>>> nyc.transit why you are so hated in all those car groups that keep
>>> getting crossposted here.
>>>
>>> Limousines these days are used by high school kids and CEOs.
>>> ...
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Author: rottenrotten Date: Aug 7, 2007 09:07
On Jun 20, 12:15 pm, Bolwerk gmail.com> wrote:> Beats me. Without improving something other than policing and the
> overall economy (which probably got worse for people most sensitive to
> it since Bush was elected), there comes a point where crime isn't going
> down anymore.
>
> Meanwhile, throwing everything that spits, smokes, or injects into
> prison eventually stops working. We all know what will happen when
> these people start getting released.
Imprisoning people works, period. It's just that we imprison the wrong
people here in the US, non-violent offenders and victimless criminals.
Throw the scumbags in prison though, trust me it works.
What's odd is how badly society decayed after the 1960's. In nearly
every measure the country has been worse since the 1960's. I wonder
why that is?
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Author: BolwerkBolwerk Date: Aug 7, 2007 09:59
rotten wrote:
> On Jun 20, 12:15 pm, Bolwerk gmail.com> wrote:>> Beats me. Without improving something other than policing and the
>> overall economy (which probably got worse for people most sensitive to
>> it since Bush was elected), there comes a point where crime isn't going
>> down anymore.
>>
>> Meanwhile, throwing everything that spits, smokes, or injects into
>> prison eventually stops working. We all know what will happen when
>> these people start getting released.
>
> Imprisoning people works, period. It's just that we imprison the wrong
> people here in the US, non-violent offenders and victimless criminals.
> Throw the scumbags in prison though, trust me it works.
Imprisoning people is never 100%% effective. Well, nothing is, but
imprisoning people doesn't even approach 100%%. You still have to
address the symptoms of crime.
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Author: Peter T. DanielsPeter T. Daniels Date: Aug 7, 2007 10:10
On Aug 7, 12:07 pm, rotten gmail.com> wrote:
> What's odd is how badly society decayed after the 1960's. In nearly
> every measure the country has been worse since the 1960's. I wonder
> why that is?
Which measures would those be?
If you noted correctly that many measures have declined since the
1980s, the "why" is easy to identify: reaganomics and "the nine
scariest words."
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Author: Stephen SprunkStephen Sprunk Date: Aug 7, 2007 10:19
> On Jun 20, 12:15 pm, Bolwerk gmail.com> wrote:>> Meanwhile, throwing everything that spits, smokes, or injects into
>> prison eventually stops working. We all know what will happen when
>> these people start getting released.
>
> Imprisoning people works, period.
No, it doesn't. When you have a system where criminals admit they're
committing crimes _to get back into prison_, you have failed. Our social
services and economic policies have failed in that the average person in
this country has a _worse_ standard of living than a convicted felon.
> It's just that we imprison the wrong people here in the US, non-
> violent offenders and victimless criminals. Throw the scumbags
> in prison though, trust me it works.
That, I agree with; we need to quit imprisoning non-violent or victimless
offenders. We also need much more enforcement (including incarceration in
real prisons) of white-collar crime.
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Author: James RobinsonJames Robinson Date: Aug 7, 2007 11:24
> Imprisoning people works, period. It's just that we imprison the wrong
> people here in the US, non-violent offenders and victimless criminals.
> Throw the scumbags in prison though, trust me it works.
I don't trust you, because it doesn't work. The US has 5%% of the world
population, and 25%% of the prisoners. There's still lots of crime,
particularly violent crime. If prisons worked, crime rates would be very
low.
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Author: rottenrotten Date: Aug 7, 2007 12:40
On Aug 7, 12:59 pm, Bolwerk gmail.com> wrote:> rotten wrote:
>> On Jun 20, 12:15 pm, Bolwerk gmail.com> wrote:>>> Beats me. Without improving something other than policing and the
>>> overall economy (which probably got worse for people most sensitive to
>>> it since Bush was elected), there comes a point where crime isn't going
>>> down anymore.
>
>>> Meanwhile, throwing everything that spits, smokes, or injects into
>>> prison eventually stops working. We all know what will happen when
>>> these people start getting released.
>
>> Imprisoning people works, period. It's just that we imprison the wrong
>> people here in the US, non-violent offenders and victimless criminals.
>> Throw the scumbags in prison though, trust me it works.
>
> Imprisoning people is...
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Author: rottenrotten Date: Aug 7, 2007 12:42
On Aug 7, 1:10 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" verizon.net> wrote:
> Which measures would those be?
Inner city problems. Any and all urban problems. Urban society was
destroyed by the 1960's.
> If you noted correctly that many measures have declined since the
> 1980s, the "why" is easy to identify: reaganomics and "the nine
> scariest words."
I dunno, most of the problems of the inner city existed way prior to
Reaganomics.
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Author: rottenrotten Date: Aug 7, 2007 12:47
On Aug 7, 1:19 pm, "Stephen Sprunk" sprunk.org> wrote:
> No, it doesn't. When you have a system where criminals admit they're
> committing crimes _to get back into prison_, you have failed. Our social
> services and economic policies have failed in that the average person in
> this country has a _worse_ standard of living than a convicted felon.
The average person in this country has a standard of living worse than
a convicted felon? So we all live in 8x10 cells among rapists, murders
and thieves? Did your neighbor make you his "bitch" recently? Wait,
don't answer that (it wouldn't surprise me).
> That, I agree with; we need to quit imprisoning non-violent or victimless
> offenders. We also need much more enforcement (including incarceration in
> real prisons) of white-collar crime.
White collar crime is a real problem but which type of crime hurts the
poor more, insider trading or murders/rapes/gangs? I'd say the latter
personally.
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Author: rottenrotten Date: Aug 7, 2007 12:48
On Aug 7, 2:24 pm, James Robinson 212.com> wrote:> I don't trust you, because it doesn't work. The US has 5%% of the world
> population, and 25%% of the prisoners. There's still lots of crime,
> particularly violent crime. If prisons worked, crime rates would be very
> low.
The crime rate in the US exploded after the 1960's, particularly
violent crime. Look at the trend between incarceration and violent
crimes. I think you'll see a correlation.
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